WHT not supporting long time member

[ldcdc]

I can see all sides of the fence, and there would be many things to be said, but since words can't take back facts, I will only say the following:

It hurts me to know that Gen-T has made so many serious, respected WHT members angry, feel threatened and offended, and I hope Tim will stop and eventually find the help he needs to get back in control of himself. May justice prevail.

 

[Senad]

I can see all sides of the fence, and there would be many things to be said, but since words can't take back facts, I will only say the following:

It hurts me to know that Gen-T has made so many serious, respected WHT members angry, feel threatened and offended, and I hope Tim will stop and eventually find the help he needs to get back in control of himself. May justice prevail.

*Wears a "SEND TIM, THE PERVERT, TO JAIL!" shirt*

What Hate/Anger?

 

[Exon]

Vito, do keep us updated as it would be interesting to know the end result of this all.

And Art, I can understand what you mean about, "my Russian side kicking in" - our local hockey team has a russian on it and HOLY CRAP! At the games I took my son to, if a member of the opposing team hit, or slammed into one of our teammates he made sure to make it even. He even got so violent as to head but the opposing team with all his gear on, and the other guy had thrown his gloves and helmet. Wow, just...wow.

 

[Artashes]

Yeah, Russians are crazy that way.
In moments like these, wires just lock in the brain.. then - just watch out.

 

[Aussie Bob]

FYI, Gen-T's WHT account is now disabled. But forgive me if I am cynical about how long that will be the case.

I'd say this could be a permanent banning.

As well, in their infinite wisdom, the Mods have decided to restore his apology thread.

Which I can't access - "Aussie Bob, you do not have permission to access this page."

WHT sucks big time, and their veiled attempt to do the politically correct thing is a pathetically sad attempt at best.

But at least they kind of got there, in the end, with banning Tim and reposting Tim's apology thread. It's steps in the right direction.

 

[Senad]

Correction Bob it WAS steps in the right direction until they once again decided to play politics and not post the entire thread. Then they decided to remove the thread once again alltogether. Somehow I feel that their change of heart with the thread will be the same change of heart for GEN-T's account. You seriously cannot expect them to permaban (my short term for permenantly ban) GEN-T especially when they have just gone back and forth with their options in regards to the WHT thread. They are the worst type of flip-flopper I have ever seen at this moment.

 

[Blue]

But at least they kind of got there, in the end, with banning Tim and reposting Tim's apology thread. It's steps in the right direction.

"Kind of got there" may be a little generous.
That fact that his account was unsuspended in the first place is an absolute joke.
So is temporarily reposting the apology thread only to bin it again.

 

[Aussie Bob]

"Kind of got there" may be a little generous.

Yeah, although the issue is not really with WHT. That's a side issue. The real issue is between Vito, Tim and the legal system.

 

[labrocca]

Well hello everyone. This is my first post here and the community here looks great. I have not been a fan of WHT and it's totalitarian view of moderation. Reading this thread sickens me. I have a couple questions though...what envoked all this anyways? Does this guy have a reason for disliking or harrassing Vito?

Also I see a pattern here from WHT and I would be writing a very long legal letter to iNet about a possible civil suit against them. I see their actions in this as very questionable. They seem to have covered up a crime and actually have enabled this person to harrass others. I am not saying you can win in a court but outlining a scenario for them might wake them up some. You might force some moderators to be fired over this. That would be part of my goal as well as getting the Gen-T into a courtroom for civil and criminal proceedings. The legal costs of this alone could really screw him. Never underestimate the power of the legal system are rest assured that Gen-T has committed punishable offenses. I would think a nice civil action after the criminal proceeding should finish him off very nicely. Others who have had negative experiences from Gen-T via WHT should consider a joint civil suit. Basically WHT has created an environment where Gen-T is allowed to harass others. Judging simply from the few here who say that Gen-T contacted them and personally attacked them. You should all join together and petition WHT for changes or you will seek changed via a legal action.

 

[Aussie Bob]

. . . I have a couple questions though...what envoked all this anyways? Does this guy have a reason for disliking or harrassing Vito?

I'm not sure what happened to Tim. He seemed to just snap, and became a totally different person. I think that happened about 15mths ago. I attributed it to a personal crisis of sorts.

I think he started targetting folks who achieved some form of success, and that put Vito, Simon and myself in his target. All 3 of us were successful, respected businessmen and very popular on WHT. I think Tim craved for the same success, respect and popularity.

Then he embarked on a relentless campaign of post sniping and trolling, convinced in his mind that myself, Vito and Simon were really evil people, pretending to be good people. Apparently I'm supposed to be a "snake in the grass". That's about as simple as I can explain it.

Then the attacking PMs started. I never received anything as disgusting as Vito and Simon did, so I more felt sorry for him, as it was obvious his life was basically in the toilet. I'm a turn the other cheek kinda chap, and don't easily hold a grudge, but I've run out of cheeks.

 

[Aussie Bob]

Artashes,

Do you think it would be possible to change the thread title to something other than "WHT Webhostingtalk Supports Child Molesters"?

 

[Artashes]

Do you think it would be possible to change the thread title to something other than "WHT Webhostingtalk Supports Child Molesters"?

Aussie Bob, it is always possible to change the title, as long as it reflects the content of the initial post. What would be a more accurate name for it so we can discuss it?
Plus, it really is up to Blue, as he authored the thread and wanted to say what was on his mind.

 

[ANMMark]

I believe Blue suggested a name change as well. I'll have to go back and check, but I believe he did.

 

[Artashes]

I believe Blue suggested a name change as well. I'll have to go back and check, but I believe he did.

No problem in that case. Michael is free to PM me whatever title he wants for this thread and I'll edit accordingly.

Best,

 

[Senad]

Uh the new title is worse . WHT not supporting long time member...does that mean that they SHOULD be supporting long time members like Gen-T ? j/king

How about, WHT and the Immoral Ethics it Conducts

 

[ANMMark]

How about, WHT and the Immoral Ethics it Conducts

Actually, the point of the thread was regarding Timmy's actions, and WHT covering them up. The primary focus however, should be on Timmy's actions.

WHT has a habit of hiding facts, when it comes to their own staff. They like to debate things in private, because it doesn't allow the public to debate the facts. They want it to be their way, or no way, and public debate basically eliminates that authority, because others then have the opportunity to possibly tell them when they're wrong.

I don't believe this kind of thread would have existed on WHT for very long. I believe that mainly because any negative posting in regards to WHT, WHT staff, or iNet whether it be factual or not (threads not based on fact should be removed of course), are frowned upon at WHT. The reasons I believe it is frowned upon is many. However, I feel one primary reason is that it has the potential to create a snowball effect. If a negative comment catches on with a lot of members, it then has potential to snowball and cut into iNet's revenue and profit they make from WHT.

It's the same reason that some companies choose to remove negative comments about their company, from their company forums. They don't want to take the chance of letting anyone know anything negative about them or their staff.....not very ethical.

So yes, I while I believe WHT's actions were unethical in that sense, anyone that has been a member of WHT for any long period of time, expected nothing less. It doesn't matter if they defend their actions or not....they knew it was coming.

This is why I'm thankful to be part of HD. HD does not censor facts. Freedom of speech is still alive and kicking here, and it's not a community governed by power hungry moderators.

In any case WHT's actions are ultimately their own. There is nothing that can be said here that will change anything they do. They're not a democracy.

With that said, I think the subject is not as appropriately descritive as it could be (yeah I got some ideas lol), but I think it's less harsh than it used to be. I just think it focuses on the wrong aspect of the situation right now.

 

[Aussie Bob]

If anyone is in doubt that Gen-T didn't know how old Vito's daughter was, here's concrete proof he knew damn well she was a child -

Vito posted -

Actually, she listens to (and enjoys) all of the above. Her taste in music is very ecclectic. But come on, she's 10 years old . . .

Gen-T responded 2 posts later in that thread -

vito, that's good stuff and you have reason to be proud. :thumbsup:

Here's the entire thread started by Vito, that talks about his 10 yr old daughter.

 

[dubs]

Sorry, I have not really followed this thread, but is IHSL Gen-t? If so, then IHSL is part of Eirca and so is Simon here of HD?

 

[ANMMark]

No. Gen-T is Gen-T (Timmy), IHSL is Simon.

If anyone is in doubt that Gen-T didn't know how old Vito's daughter was, here's concrete proof he knew damn well she was a child -

Ahh Bob, you know that "10 years old" statement by Vito could have described anyone from 9-23.

 

[Aussie Bob]

Sorry, I have not really followed this thread, but is IHSL Gen-t? If so, then IHSL is part of Eirca and so is Simon here of HD?

IHSL is Simon, who previously owned DIYHosting.com, and currently owns Erica.com. IHSL is not Gen-T.