WHT not supporting long time member

[ANMMark]

If the WHT mods are paid (as far as I know, they're aren't, but I don't care if they are) change one's judgement? WHT advertisers have been banned before so clearly there isn't a conflict of interest between the two.

I truly don't care if they're paid either. I feel that the honest hard working mods there, deserve something for their hard work.

However, comparing mods with advertisers is like comparing apples to oranges.

1. Paying a mod, and then banning them, requires a little more than clicking the ban button, as they are an employee, not a volunteer.

2. There is obviously a minor double standard in most places, when it comes to their moderator team. There has to be, to an extent, as they need to retain a level of control, authority, and respect. At WHT you can see this, not everytime, but a lot of times, when someone feels the need to publicly display their distaste for iNet, WHT, or a WHT mod. The thread is removed or closed. They then urge you in private to continue the discussion in private. What if you really want everyone to know what you think?

I know discussion forums are not the domain for freedom of speech, but it tends to remind me a lot of the portion of the Patriot Act that basically says "Oh yes, you have complete freedom of speech, and can say anything you want, except...this, and this, and this, and that, and this, and this, and this, and that, and that, and this, and this, and you most certainly cannot express your distaste for the people you pay to run this country or you go to jail. You also have the right to privacy, unless we all of a sudden feel the need to let an authority figure come into your house, without cause, or warrant and invade that."

 

[ANMMark]

Email spoofing is quite common these days. iNET would never do such a thing, even if it did indeed exist.

Not sure I understand how email spoofing comes into play here. Why would anyone send a spoof email regarding the great new properties that iNet has acquired, etc? I mean yeah, if I received an email from iNet telling me about all the Viagra I could get for free, then yeah, it would only make sense that the email was spoofed.

 

[CrazyTech]

I noticed the question was raised as to why banning Gen-T would accomplish anything. I'm sure you're well aware of the number of minors that frequent that board daily. That's a known fact.

I can say that I am dissappointed with the response of WHT thus far for several reasons. If anybody ever threatened someone with this degree of sickness it's obvious that they should be removed from the forum - especially when the forum is frequented by many minors and they are in a position of power. This is regardless of whether they are a mod, advisor or admin. It becomes an issue at WHT as soon as it's brought on the forum.

Mods are supposedly unpaid so why is there any reason for not immediately removing a user who threatens to sexually molest someone? The individual has even admitted to it in a thread which was deleted for some odd reason or another.

Also, another thing I find funny here is that we're arguing over a double standard not being there. Kindly go to the WHT website and you'll see the unmetered space ads and then direct yourself to the ad forums.

No unlimited space or unlimited bandwidth offers. This includes un-metered bandwidth offers not clearly advertising a bandwidth cap. Posting such offers will lead to your post being removed and your account being suspended.

There's your double standard. As long as you pay, we'll look the other way. It may be apples to oranges but I'm sure you can see why it leads some to question motives at WHT.

Just another interesting line while you're at it...

We take the "Be Polite" rule very seriously! We do not tolerate any rudeness. Any member who is intentionally unpleasant or disruptive may be banned without warning.

 

[ANMMark]

We take the "Be Polite" rule very seriously! We do not tolerate any rudeness. Any member who is intentionally unpleasant or disruptive may be banned without warning.

This only depends on the title under your username.

 

[ub3r]

Tim needs help. Condeming him after he's apologized isn't going to help him get over his problem. The guy was drunk when he wrote those statements. Tim admitted in his post that he has a drinking problem.

How do you think being banished from a community he loves is going to help him? I think we should all stop condeming him, and help the guy out. It's obvious he gets angry when he drinks. How about just offering him help when he sends these menacing emails?

Just give the guy a chance to get some help. It's not like he showed up at your doorstep and challenged you to a fight. He sent out an email from his home that's an entire country away. If you actually think he's a threat, you're wrong. The guy just has a problem.

 

[ANMMark]

Well like I said, if it would have been one of my children, he would have had a much bigger problem than alcoholism.

I should also point out that alcoholism is no excuse for pedophilia. I know a lot of alcoholics who don't tell me how bad they want to rape an 11 year old girl. That's just dangerous. The fact that this is not the first time, tells me that there is more than the bottle haunting this fella.

He may not be a child molester, unless he has actually acted on his statements, in other cases. However, he is a pedophile. Pedophilia is the thought or feeling of pleasure from the thought. It turns into child molestation when he acts on it.

How do you think being banished from a community he loves is going to help him?

Being banished from an online message board is the least of his worries. If he can't handle that, imagine how he'll handle going to jail.

 

[ub3r]

First, he had no idea how old vito's daughter is. He only knew that he had a daughter. For all he knew, she could be 19. Second, He didn't molest anybody. He sent a menacing email while drunk. There's a big difference.

 

[Aussie Bob]

First, he had no idea how old vito's daughter is. He only knew that he had a daughter.

Vito has posted multiple times on WHT that he has a young daughter. Gen-T very well knew that. The very nature of Gen-T's emails to Vito suggests he knew the daughter was young and a minor.

Second, He didn't molest anybody.

That is correct.

He sent a menacing email while drunk. There's a big difference.

He sent a sexual threat against a minor. He will suffer the consequences of his actions, and that will no doubt involve jail time. I'm sure Vito will pursue this issue to the fullest extent of the law, and leave no stone unturned.

I for one don't believe Gen-T was drunk when the emails were sent. I have been on the receiving end of some of Gen-T's attacks, and I can tell you that he is not drunk, but fully aware of his actions.

Anyhoooooo . . . this issue will no doubt be dealt through the legal system, and it won't be resolved on these forums.

 

[JanS]

First, he had no idea how old vito's daughter is. He only knew that he had a daughter. For all he knew, she could be 19. Second, He didn't molest anybody. He sent a menacing email while drunk. There's a big difference.

It doesn't matter how old the daughter was. When you are a parent, that is still a despicable thing to receive from anyone, much less someone you have known online for sometime. I would be infuriated, even though my daughters are older.

in vino veritas?

 

[ANMMark]

I never said he molested anyone at any time in my post. Also if you read his e-mails you could tell he knew she was young by the words that he used. He took time, sat down and thought about what he was writing and went into full detail on what he was going to do and how.

Drinking is NO excuse for describing in full detail what you plan to do to a young child like that. It is also NO excuse for writing such an e-mail, whether or not he knew her age or not.

He not only needs help with his drinking, but also needs help for what he is doing here.

Vito and his wife have to live with these thoughts about their daughter and the garbage they had to read describing what he wanted to do to her.

My wife's father is an alcholic and always says that the truth comes out when your drunk. Being drunk enables you to speak the things you are thinking without regard, that would never come out of your mouth when sober.

People use alcoholism as a crutch to get away with things and actions that they have been wanting to do. They say alcohol impaired their judgment.

So you are basically saying, since he was drunk, give him the benifit of the doubt.

Well, if you and your family was out for a drive and a drunk driver hit you, killing someone you loved, you should give him the benifit of doubt because he has a drinking problem and needs help? He knew before he got behind the wheel that he was drunk, he knew drinking and driving was wrong, yet he chose to do it anyway.

Well Gen-t knew what he was doing and chose to do it anyway and now has to pay the consequences for his actions.

 

[ub3r]

Vito has posted multiple times on WHT that he has a young daughter. Gen-T very well knew that. The very nature of Gen-T's emails to Vito suggests he knew the daughter was young and a minor.

I didn't know that.

He sent a sexual threat against a minor.

He was drunk while writing it. Do you think the human body can handle a cross-country binge?

I'm sure Vito will pursue this issue to the fullest extent of the law, and leave no stone unturned.

Well of course he will. Vito already showed his intentions when he took advantage of tim's grief and jumped on him in a public apology thread.

I for one don't believe Gen-T was drunk when the emails were sent.

I've seen gen-t write sober, and drunk. I couldn't imagine him posting something like that sober.

It doesn't matter how old the daughter was. When you are a parent, that is still a despicable thing to receive from anyone, much less someone you have known online for sometime. I would be infuriated, even though my daughters are older.

Yeah, a rape threat is pretty strong.

Also if you read his e-mails you could tell he knew she was young by the words that he used.

The words he used could be used to describe anybody from age 9, to 23.

 

[ANMMark]

The words he used could be used to describe anybody from age 9, to 23.

I'm sorry, but it simply seems that you are here to do nothing more than defend a pedophile.

Either you didn't read the emails in much details, or you simply didn't understand them.

Regardless of whether he was under the influence or not, those thoughts were running through his mind. If he was drinking, the alcohol simply removed the bran to mouth filter that most sober people utilize daily to keep from saying things like that.

I have never in my life heard of a 23 year old woman be referred to in the following manner:

"Your sweet little daughter" "She screams.... daddy daddy help me", "that little virgin a**", "your daughter's sweet young virgin a**"

I think you are in as much denial as Tim is ignorant.

You should consider not making excuses for this scum. Does he deserve to be judged....yes, does he deserve to be banned from WHT.....yes. Does he need help for his drinking....possibly. Does he need help for his thoughts....definately. Should he be prosecuted by the law.....most certainly.

I've seen gen-t write sober, and drunk. I couldn't imagine him posting something like that sober.

I couldn't imagine him saying anything like that period, but guess what....he did. Sometimes the things you think someone would never do, surprise you when you find out that they in fact would.

I don't find anything about what he said or did, harmless. You may find them harmless, because you choose to defend him, or possibly because they weren't written to you, or maybe even because you may not have any children of your own. I find them to be extremely dangerous words that should be taken very seriously. This is exactly how the people you see on the news.....get on the news. They start with crap like this, and end up acting on their impulses.

When interviewed, most of their neighbors say "I never thought he would do something like that.....he always kept to himself.....he was such a nice person.....he was always kind......bleh bleh bleh" That's because pedophiles put on an act, and alcoholics always blame the booze.

My question to you is....How much do you really know about Timmy? Have you met him face to face? If your answer to this is talking to him on WHT, then you know nothing more than he wants you to know.

I could tell you that I'm a 20 year old female with a bangin' body, only for you to find out later that I in fact have a stem on my apple. I could also tell you that i'm completly wasted right know, but who's to say it is true or not.

Believe nothing that you hear and only half of what you see, especially when it comes to people online, that you have never met. Yes, they may be being honest with you, but guess what....they may not too. When it comes to your family, or in Vito's case, his daughter.....is that a chance you would take?

 

[Aussie Bob]

I didn't know that.

Vito's been very open about his family, with his posts on WHT. He's always talking about his family, and you can tell he's so proud.

Well of course he will. Vito already showed his intentions when he took advantage of tim's grief and jumped on him in a public apology thread.

I'd say the legal wheels were turning before Tim posted that apology thread. Vito has the resources and determination to take this all the way, and he should too.

I've seen gen-t write sober, and drunk. I couldn't imagine him posting something like that sober.

I can. It's his nature. I've been on the receiving end of his venom, and it's not the actions of a drunk. It's the actions of a cold and calculative person.

The words he used could be used to describe anybody from age 9, to 23.

Tim knew Vito's daughter was 11. Tim would read almost every post Vito makes on WHT. Vito has mentioned his daughter's ages many many times. Although I'm sure Tim's legal defence will probably pull something like that.

Mikey, I don't think you can possibly understand what Vito is feeling. Let's wait until you have a young daughter, and someone sends you an email like Vito received. Let's see how forgiving you are then.

 

[Aussie Bob]

. . . in vino veritas?

And that means -

A Latin phrase suggesting that people are more likely to say what they really feel under the influence of alcohol. It means, “There is truth in wine.”

 

[Blue]

Little boy Mikey, are you ever going to grow up?
I doubt it.

Like I said on another forum, when you get to the point, if ever, that you are mature enough to comprehend adult issues then come back and post.

To defend this act because he was drunk and "needs help" is yet another sad indicator that you have never been able to become an adult.

 

[Exon]

He was drunk while writing it. Do you think the human body can handle a cross-country binge?

How old are you? 12? Do you NOT realize that being drunk does NOTHING for your case? Don't believe me? Get drunk, and go pee on a cop car. When they approach you, inform them you plan to rape their daughters, and then when they detain you just tell them you're drunk. They'll understand.

Let us know how it turns out.

 

[vito]

I agree that it is important to keep the forum clean, but not remove the evidence all together, as though the issue never occurred. Tim posted his thread on his own behalf. No one forced him to do so. His post not only provided evidence against him, but may have actually pulled other out into the open, that he may have contacted and done the same thing to. I'm not sure what WHT's reasons were, but to pretend it never happened, and to stop people from communicating about it at all, as though it didn't happen, is in my view the same as WHT supporting his actions.
. I think a lot of this based on that common knowledge as well.

That's exactly correct. I find it stunningly irresponsible of them to remove Tim's thread. Lock it? OK. But delete a factual thread that exposes a member for the scum he is? Patently irresponsible.

I think we should all stop condeming him, and help the guy out. It's obvious he gets angry when he drinks. How about just offering him help when he sends these menacing emails?

You're kidding, right, Mikey? Either you're kidding, or you're trolling, or you need to grow up.

I'm not here to act as Timmy's therapist or support group. There is such a thing as accountability. Hopefully one day you will gain enough life experience and maturity to understand that.

BTW, I did try to help. Even after 8 months of receiving harrasing emails, in August I replied to one of his emails offering to calmy discuss this once and for all. Hell, I even invited him to call me on my nickel on my toll free line. A week later, I emailed him reminding him of my invitation. He finally responded but opted to communicate by email. After several emails back and forth, we ended on a semi-civil note, agreeing to go our own separate ways, ending this once and for all. But as expected, he went right back to it. To the point of rape threats.

Yeah, Mikey. You're right. He sure deserves my compassion, understanding and patience. After all, his history is testimony to the fact that he deserves it. :rolleyes2

Just give it up, OK? This guy is a sick perverted sociopath, and should not be afforded any latitude whatsoever. He is a classic Jekkyl/Hyde who cannot be trusted. He will be remorseful and apologetic one day, and viciously attacking the next.

Tuesday January 18, 2005:

Geez...I know you are not a bad guy. You are a good guy, a family man, a successful business man and one of the most popular people in the community. I'm just a big mouth - sometimes overly sensitive - often overly proud person. I'm nobody.

Wednesday March 23, 2005:

Vito, you are a dishonest, lying, fat balding little man. You really think that your small crew of 3-4 scamming spamming buddies fool everybody?
I know stuff you would never even dream of, or imagine. So do lots of
people. You are not the great guy you try so desperately to appear. Like
AussieBob, you are a snake in the grass.

Saturday March 26, 2005:

Hey PUSSY, are you ready to come down to see me in person? Let me know when and where.

Thursday May 26, 2005:

Though I have already talked to both my attorney and my close friend who is part of my local law enforcement, and they assure me that by kicking
your ass, the worse I will face in a night in a jail for simple assault, followed by probation because my record is spotless.
And guess what you scumbag? That's a price I'm ready and willing to pay
if necessary.
I'm assuming the information in your domain whois records is correct. If not, I will have you located soon enough.

Saturday November 19, 2005:

Please try to forgive me. I AM sick, but not in the way you think. I keep turning to booze and I don't have my drinking under control.
You probably know I'm a religious person, so you should know what this next
line means for me to say...
I swear to God I never meant any harm. I swear to God I'm sorry and feel
sick at my stomach.
Please Vito, forgive me. I'm going to go talk to my doctor about my drinking, and do whatever he says.
I'm begging for your heart man. Please try to forgive me. Please man.

And that is but a mere smattering of the incessant emails I have received. Hey, Mikey, can you see the schizophrenic pattern? Can you understand why I could care less about "helping" this piece of crap?

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to finish printing off all of Tim's emails so I can hand them in this afternoon at the Tech Crime Dept when I file my report.

Vito

 

[vito]

FYI, Gen-T's WHT account is now disabled. But forgive me if I am cynical about how long that will be the case.

As well, in their infinite wisdom, the Mods have decided to restore his apology thread.

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=462775

But don't get too excited. It only includes his original post. IMHO, unless you include my post about his rape threats, this singular post is misleading and only helps Tim. To the unsuspecting reader, it simply portrays some guy who is remorseful of some vague past "indiscretions". But it nowhere near reflects the true vile nature of his activities.

WHT sucks big time, and their veiled attempt to do the politically correct thing is a pathetically sad attempt at best.

Vito

 

[ANMMark]

Somehow I can't helpbut think that you'd better lookout for more email coming your way after this.

 

[vito]

Somehow I can't helpbut think that you'd better lookout for more email coming your way after this.

Bring it on, I say. Adds more to my file. Given that the Police are now involved, if this scumbag has even a single ounce of grey matter between his ears, he would be wise to disappear. More emails? At this point, they can only help me put this pathetic derelict behind bars.

Vito