WHT not supporting long time member

[Senad]

FYI, Gen-T's WHT account is now disabled. But forgive me if I am cynical about how long that will be the case.

As well, in their infinite wisdom, the Mods have decided to restore his apology thread.

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=462775

But don't get too excited. It only includes his original post. IMHO, unless you include my post about his rape threats, this singular post is misleading and only helps Tim. To the unsuspecting reader, it simply portrays some guy who is remorseful of some vague past "indiscretions". But it nowhere near reflects the true vile nature of his activities.

WHT sucks big time, and their veiled attempt to do the politically correct thing is a pathetically sad attempt at best.

Vito

Vito,
I myself not knowing the real full extent of the situation could interpret it exactly as you stated. Gen-T looks nothing but sincere and honest in his thread nor does it give any real reasons as to what he is apologizing about (perhaps just a little squabble?). It definetly looks as though they are trying to make him look better of a man for being able to apologize for his bad deeds (whatever one can interpret them to be in that post).

I for one am shocked by HOW LONG it took them to even disable his account in the first place...I mean they sure did take quick action in regards to shutting down the original thread and replies to it...

 

[vito]

WHT's decision to (partially) restore the thread is pathetic. Frankly, it is just a cowardly attempt to try to redeem themselves. All they are doing is confirming their complicity to his abhorrent behavior.

WHT is not the same community I joined (and embraced) almost 4 years ago.

Vito

 

[Simon]

I for one am shocked by HOW LONG it took them to even disable his account in the first place...I mean they sure did take quick action in regards to shutting down the original thread and replies to it...

He has been banned before.

Granted, the reasons were not so shocking, but it included the same old characteristics: Abusing members via PM, abusing members in public, sending lewd/disgusting comments about members' wives via PM and email, making racial slurs, etc.

The guy is pure scum. Unfortunately, WHT just keep inviting him back and letting do the same thing over and over again. Rinse, repeat, abuse. Gen-T has referred to his friendship with SWR before, in emails to other members.

I never believed he was protected in any way by the moderators. That is until I complained to the mods about Tim sending me an unprovoked PM explicity outlining what he wanted to do with my wife. Guess who got the warning points? Me. (note: the complaint was so civil that it almost made me sick. Thankfully, anon-e-mouse removed my warning points that SWR had put on my account)

What happenned to the thread in which members first spoke out about abusive PM's and emails from Gen-T? Deleted. As I said: rinse, repeat, abuse.

Simon

 

[Senad]

So then we can only assume that this will happen again once GEN-T is reinstated by SWR.

I think it's about time that WHT had some new fresh blood for their administators and moderators...It looks like this may be getting old for many of their old time fans/ex-fans.

 

[ANMMark]

I wanted to add, as a side note.

I may have come off as heartless torward Gen-T in this thread. I want anyone that reads this to know. I'm not a heartless person.

However, I feel that Timmy has crossed the line here.

Typically, if someone would have told me out of the blue, that Timmy had a drinking problem, and needed help, I would have been one of the first to say, "Then we need to help this guy"

However, like I said, drinking is no excuse for the actions of an alcoholic, they like to believe that it is, because it somehow excuses their behavior...at least in their mind.

I have no sympathy for anyone who uses their other problems as a crutch/avenue to do things like this to other people.

I personally think that Timmy's public apology was simply a play on others as well. The issue was a private issue. All of the horrid communication from him was private. He chose to go public with his apology so that others would say "Awww, look this guy. He's spilling his heart, and begging for help." Basically a "Hey look at me. I'm just an innocent person with a problem. So when Vito posts his comments, please believe that he's the ass, not me."

There was simply no other reason for him to post his apology publicly, since his actions and words were carried out in private.

Timmy has not only played the innocent drunk card, but used it to hide his real problem.

So if I seemed to have no compassion for Timmy.....good, because I don't. There is a line between innocent acts of an alcoholic, and the not so innocent acts.

I don't want my experiences to take away from this topic, nor do I want to put the attention on myself, or make it seem like I am whinning about anything, because that's just not me. However, I couldn't help but notice how quickly some WHTers jumped in to defend Timmy. I find that personally offensive due to my personal experiences with WHT in the recent past. The differences in situation are staggering as well, but it just solidifies the double standard.

Like I said earlier, I was not treated with this much respect at WHT. You see, my situation was different in the sense, that the problems I had were not self induced. A close friend passed away, and then my grandmother passed away (someone that I was extremely close to in my life). I went into a stint of random bouts of depression. In fact, it was to the point that I couldn't bring myself to work, eat, etc. For the first week, I couldn't even sleep very well. This caused delaysin me delivering a product that some WHT members ordered. I was told by members and mods alike that I was scum, a liar, a scam artist, etc because of this.

Why am I bringing this up? Because it sickens me. My issue was not self induced, nor did I violently threaten anyone or their family, yet I was treated like the lowest form of life on the planet. Timmy's "problem" is self induced, as no one forces alcoholism on someone, and he violently, and criminally threatened a valued member's daughter, yet was treated with respect by those same people.

It not only sickens me, but makes me wonder what the world has come to, when someone can commit these types of actions, and threats, and be treated better than someone who's problems were truly beyond their control.

Again, I'm certainly not trying to be selfish in this post. I just could not help but point this out, as the prime example of the double standard everyone is also discussing here.

 

[ub3r]

Vito's been very open about his family, with his posts on WHT. He's always talking about his family, and you can tell he's so proud.

I only knew he had a daughter. Not her age. I guess it slipped my mind.

How old are you? 12? Do you NOT realize that being drunk does NOTHING for your case?

I'm 22. How do you figure it's my case? If tim is declared guilty, I still have my freedom. Have you ever drank? People tend to do things that are outside of the norm while drinking. I'm not saying that's justification for sending out emails depicting the rape of somebody's daughter, but you really shouldn't take the things he says seriously.

You're kidding, right, Mikey? Either you're kidding, or you're trolling, or you need to grow up.

You're sounding more and more like blue.

I'm not here to act as Timmy's therapist or support group. There is such a thing as accountability. Hopefully one day you will gain enough life experience and maturity to understand that.

See, this is really funny. You often come across as this loving liberal on wht. Then when something hits your life, you turn into this maniac who's hell-bent on throwing the perpitrator in jail forever.

BTW, I did try to help. Even after 8 months of receiving harrasing emails, in August I replied to one of his emails offering to calmy discuss this once and for all. Hell, I even invited him to call me on my nickel on my toll free line. A week later, I emailed him reminding him of my invitation. He finally responded but opted to communicate by email. After several emails back and forth, we ended on a semi-civil note, agreeing to go our own separate ways, ending this once and for all. But as expected, he went right back to it. To the point of rape threats.

Before this email, when was the last time he contacted you?

Vito, you are a dishonest, lying, fat balding little man. You really think that your small crew of 3-4 scamming spamming buddies fool everybody?
I know stuff you would never even dream of, or imagine. So do lots of
people. You are not the great guy you try so desperately to appear. Like
AussieBob, you are a snake in the grass.

Well, he's got the dishonest part right. You know, when you asked him for a public apology, and then ambushed him after he posted it. Yeah, that's real honest.

And that is but a mere smattering of the incessant emails I have received. Hey, Mikey, can you see the schizophrenic pattern? Can you understand why I could care less about "helping" this piece of crap?

It is pretty crazy, and it was wrong for him to send that stuff out. But do you really think the guy is a threat? I don't.

WHT's decision to (partially) restore the thread is pathetic. Frankly, it is just a cowardly attempt to try to redeem themselves. All they are doing is confirming their complicity to his abhorrent behavior.

Yeah, how dare they not let you two argue about an email tim sent out that breaks multiple laws.

I for one am shocked by HOW LONG it took them to even disable his account in the first place...I mean they sure did take quick action in regards to shutting down the original thread and replies to it...

Well, if you think tim deserves banishment because he sent you an email, I doubt you'll have a problem with them permanently banning blue for libeling wht on multiple forums.

 

[vito]

Mikey, I won't even dignify your comments with a reply ( as tempted as I am to rip you a new a**hole ). I will assume that any thinking individual reading this thread will draw their own (logical) conclusions.

Keep it up, Mikey. All you're doing is burying yourself deeper. Which makes me wonder aloud about your mental stability. Do you really want to be known to have allegiance with this sick perverted schizophrenic delusional sociopath?

Hey, it's your funeral...

Vito

 

[ANMMark]

Well, if you think tim deserves banishment because he sent you an email, I doubt you'll have a problem with them permanently banning blue for libeling wht on multiple forums.

Actually, it is only considered libel/slander when it's not true. WHT has done nothing to disprove the theory that they are defending or supporting Gen-T, other than banning him, which we have seen in the past is only temporary, and most likely simply a method to smooth the water, before they reinstate him.

 

[Exon]

I'm 22. How do you figure it's my case? If tim is declared guilty, I still have my freedom. Have you ever drank? People tend to do things that are outside of the norm while drinking. I'm not saying that's justification for sending out emails depicting the rape of somebody's daughter, but you really shouldn't take the things he says seriously.

I never said it was your case, I was implying in general, that drinking does nothing for anyone's case. Not take it seriously? Oh, you're right. I guess I do see the humor in raping a little girl. :rollseyes:

And while yes, people do things outside the norm, as Mark said, all drinking does is remove the content filter. So the thoughts were still there, but the "drinking" is not an excuse, nor a reason for how he acted.

It is pretty crazy, and it was wrong for him to send that stuff out. But do you really think the guy is a threat? I don't.

You don't, but how do you think Vito, or his wife feels about the threats? It's different when you have a family.

Well, he's got the dishonest part right. You know, when you asked him for a public apology, and then ambushed him after he posted it. Yeah, that's real honest.

From what I read Vito never said he wouldn't expose what Tim had said in the thread, and that Tim had offered to post the apology without Vito prompting him. Now, how did Vito do something dishonest?

 

[Artashes]

Boy did I miss a lot while away this weekend.

I took my time to read every post in this thread to familiarize myself with the situation, because there is no information available at WHT, and I would like to tell you, V, as well as those who got harassed by Tim in a similar fashion that I would stand firmly behind you all. I didn't even have to read the explicit material posted by Vito as evidence. Just telling someone your daughter, your sister, or your wife will be "abused", makes my blood boil. My Russian side kicks on, then my reasonable side assures me there are way better way of dealing with such things than exposing yourself to trouble. Vito has done well with filing a report against him, and I pray to God he gets busted for it. I was very lucky to have met some of you in real life, so I take it personally when this happens.

I don't have the kids of my own, but you don't need to. All you need is to love someone in your life to know how sickly mad and painful comments like those can be. Most people who are nobody in the real world, has always allowed themselves too much when online. Just because they can. I've had my share of abusers attacking me, and the best thing to do is to isolate yourself from them and to not pay attention, as this will only piss them off since it is all they are seeking to achieve.

To comment about how WHT reacted, my view can be considered biased since I own a competing venue. For everyone's information, my opinion is one of a human being, not an HD owner. So here goes.

Gen-T ... was suspended in the past by WHT for these very same reasons. Threatening members, and sending disgusting and threatening emails, but for some reason his account was re-instated.
He must be a friend of SWR.

I do remember Gen-T consistently having similar problems with some of the most respectable members, and yet he was always back in action. Some moderators do have too much power to make those decisions, and have the majority agree with them.

Perhaps the new ownership will appreciate real members again and start to question the heavy handed MOD techniques by ONE wht mod.

Unfortunately, I am not sure they will actually have enough time to delve in community relationship issues. Acquisition, as we've heard, is purely revenue-based, thus the goal for them is to make more money. That usually never results in improving the social quality of the environment.

I think we all need to do more to promote HD and get people to come here.

It is an outstanding idea. Just like many had HHO links in their signatures, and HD link won't hurt. Don't get too excited however, as WHT mods have the power to edit your signature. I had my own share of frustration and banning points received for having a statement like "Approaching 5000 members!" in my signature. It was edited a couple of times and points were issued. Only after long battles did they cancel those points.

While I'm not speaking on behalf of the WHT Staff, but I'm pretty sure they're debating over it, and looking all the information that has been presented to them. Since this was done through email, and not directly through WHT it becomes a tricky issue. You have to consider; what will banning him from WHT accomplish?

It is not what it would accomplish. It is what WHT stands for. Banning his account is the LEAST they should do, along with apology for having such scum with extensive history on staff.

As well, in their infinite wisdom, the Mods have decided to restore his apology thread.
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=462775

Vito, I am not sure its available anymore.

Finally, Michael, I praise you for stepping up at a cost of your account. And that is not the first time! You have always impressed me with your noble personality. I think most neglect your desire to expose truth, and that's why having you here makes my mind so peaceful - you are just an honest guy and so many people see it. In today's world, its the quality most people ought to have.

I have stopped being as active at WHT as I was before. I said that many times before to Mark and others that the community is not what it was 3 years ago! Consistent frustration with how things are handled, increased flow of scamming activity and overload with gamer-kids, that's not where I should be spending most of my time in the first place. I loved that place before, I was addicted to it. Today my activity is mostly brought down to advertising sections, and even that is turning rotten since they won't do anything to improve it (I had a big thread in the feedback forum with a few proposed options to help higher the ad standards, all of which got shut down by kids who felt that my proposals would run their little shops out of business).

I'll leave it at that for now.

 

[Senad]

ub3r please read the entire post and getting your facts straight before making false assumptions. Vito didn't even tell him to make a public post, Tim did in his own right...but if you prefer to back up a pervert and help him by trying to twist words into falsehood then by all means keep it up. You are just digging yourself into a deeper hole as Vito pointed out.

 

[Artashes]

As a side reminder to people, let's not make this thread completely about WHT management or its moderator staff. Some have flaws, doesn't mean all of those people are bad. There are people involved who I made good friends with, so talking about them as one sets an inaccurate stereotype.

 

[ANMMark]

As a side reminder to people, let's not make this thread completely about WHT management or its moderator staff. Some have flaws, doesn't mean all of those people are bad. There are people involved who I made good friends with, so talking about them as one sets an inaccurate stereotype.

I definately agree with this. WHT still has numerous honest, hard working staff members left. It's not fair to lump them all in the same category as SWR, etc

 

[Blue]

As a side reminder to people, let's not make this thread completely about WHT management or its moderator staff. Some have flaws, doesn't mean all of those people are bad. There are people involved who I made good friends with, so talking about them as one sets an inaccurate stereotype.

I agree 100% with this Art.
In fact in retrospect we could probably tone down the title of the thread.
WHT as such is not the problem here, just certain elements of it.

The MOD staff over there are very good people from the dealings I have had with them.

 

[Blue]

Little Boy Mikey, you never cease to amaze me with your immaturity.

I guess we should all take your side on this.

Let's see:

Vito: Respected business man, great contributor to WHT and the hosting industry, good family man, honest, and a friend of many here.

Little Mikey: Admitted warez user. Hasn't done anything significant in his life. Supports a perverted sicko who threatens the rape of a child.

Gee, tough decision.

But this isn't about you Little Mikey, so maybe you can go and do your blogging as steal your music or whatever it is you like to do in that little bedroom of yours.
Leave this thread to the adults. Who knows, one day you might actually become one.

 

[ANMMark]

This is exactly what I'm referring to.

Disrespect the victim, and put the criminal on the throne. :thumbdown:

 

[vito]

Vito, I am not sure its available anymore.

Yes, as expected, they deleted the apology thread again.

I would have put money on the fact that they would...

Vito

 

[Senad]

The more and more this story unravels the more i am glad I choose HD for my main Hosting Discussion Place :thumbsup:. And whom do you think most likely removed that thread .

 

[Artashes]

Vito, just out of curiosity. Did you submit the file and how does your local police department is going to manage the cross-border case? Did anyone give you more information on that?

 

[vito]

Vito, just out of curiosity. Did you submit the file and how does your local police department is going to manage the cross-border case? Did anyone give you more information on that?

I will be bringing all my evidence in to the Police this afternoon (I just finally finished printing out all my evidence). I need to file a general police report charging Tim with criminal harrassment which will then be handed over to the proper dept, which will then bring the Tech Crimes Dept into the case to verify identities. Once they see the sexual threats, they will add them to the charges. They will then contact the Dallas Police Dept to press charges.

Vito