How do they do it? Unlimited domains and bandwidth

Unmetered if different.

for example.

I have dedicated server nodes split into VPSs for customers.
I have a 1 GBit feed for every five nodes, so I allocate 200MB/s to each node.
Each node may have upto 4 small servers, or 2 intermediate servers or 1 large server.

I can offer 50Mb/s unmetered, on the small VPS
or 100Mb/s unmetered on the intermediate VPS
or 200Mb/s unmetered on the large VPS

Unmetered just means you can max it out constantly and we don't care!! Because we've paid for the line and limited the tranfer-rate so that everyone maxing out their lines will only match the pipe size purchased.
 
I beg to differ.

There is nothing wrong with unlimited.
The market demands unlimited, so it is offered.

It is not impossible to offer good and solid service with Unlimited plans.
People here say "providers will do anything to get business". This is true, but i want to keep that business, not get a few bucks and then forget about it.

Or at least in our case unlimited is truly unlimited, as long as it is related with website content and website traffic.
 
Its just a marketing trick. After they see that some account takes most resources, they could either put your bill up or tell you to get the hell out of there servers
 
It is not possible to have unlimited space.. i guess no HD has come-inn with Unlimited HD.. but it works on the simple logic that a reseller or a user is allowed to host only web-files..
This files take in small storage space.. but yes there is always a load on the server with more numbers of files..
Unlimited server should be audited on daily basis for resources ...
 
unlimited bandwidth on web hosting is so stupid and none sense.the unlimited domains thing is possible on web hosting
but all would have the same name servers (addon domains)
 
The "unlimited" is very carefully worded. For instance, if you look at the ads from HostGator, they mention unlimited domains, and unlimited disk space.

What they *don't* mention prominently in their ads is their limitation on inodes and on CPU usage.

There are certain types of files that you can't store on their servers.

So, they aren't exactly lying...

The "unlimited" buzzword is there because if you don't feature "unlimited" you won't sell any hosting.

Fortunately, the real limits are high enough that they are unlikely to impact my sites for a long time.
 
howardharkness said:
The "unlimited" is very carefully worded. For instance, if you look at the ads from HostGator, they mention unlimited domains, and unlimited disk space.

What they *don't* mention prominently in their ads is their limitation on inodes and on CPU usage.
Click to expand...

But neither do the limited hosts who have the same or similar restrictions. Limited hosts should not be exempt.

The term "unlimited" (whether unlimited domains or unlimited disk space) refers to the quota allocation of a hosting resource that is typically found in a hosting plan. Those resources that are not found in hosting plans are not what is advertised as unlimited. Thus the unlimited label does not apply to things like inodes and cpu time, which are not typically found in a hosting plan.

Just as the unlimited host will have restrictions on hosting resources that are not typically found in a hosting plan, so does the limited host. One difference between the two is the absence of the artificial quota in the hosting plan, and only the hosting plan. The other difference is: for the limited host these "other" limits are in addition to the quota; for the unlimited host they are the only restrictions
 
Last edited:
Collabora said:
One difference between the two is the absence of the artificial quota in the hosting plan, and only the hosting plan.
Click to expand...
:thumbup: exactly and should be the main point of discussion IMO, the 'other' resource arguments applies to all shared plans and only distracts from the debate.

Collabora said:
The other difference is: for the limited host these "other" limits are in addition to the quota; for the unlimited host they are the only restrictions
Click to expand...
Not sure I agree with this but I get your drift. Certainly not worth arguing over :)
 
Unlimited bandwidth is not all that difficult to offer, it depends on the deal you get from your datacentre and how much you pay for bandwidth. (Don't get me wrong we do not offer unlimited bandwidth, as it would attract the wrong type of customer).
Our servers come with a guaranteed gigabit connection, but all of the users on that machine can only shared that 1Gbps connection. Thats approx 300 terrabytes per month, I've never seen a server touch that amount of transfer.
We've stopped offer unlimited domains per user, as it's then very difficult to predict the load on your server effectively, as an account with 100 blog domains could use 75% of your server and make you $5.

We've gone the extreme other way and control.

-Number of users a reseller can create
-Number of domains a user can have
-Amount of CPU an account can use
-Amount of Memory (RAM) an account can use
-Amount of Virtual Memory an account can use
-Amount of Disk I/O an account can use
-Amount of Disk space an account can use
-Number of Inodes an account can use (50 per MB)
-Number of connections to apache an account can use
-Number of non apache processes an account can use
-Number of MySQL connections a user can make
-Amount of MySQL CPU a user can use
-Amount of MySQL Disk I/O a user can have

Now you might think this is very restrictive. But by choosing the right package, you are guaranteeing the availability of your website as no other user can steal all your CPU, or steal your Disk I/O or steal your MySQL connections.

Now you can sleep at night and not have to wonder whether your host is gonna be down again!

Unlimited hosts can use these controls, but without knowing the maximums that they have to provide, they are rarely capable of providing them.
 
There is nothing 100% unlimited but the general thought is that you will never hit the limit thats why they call it unlimited. There are always terms and conditions when offering unlimited planz
 
jkateega said:
There are always terms and conditions when offering unlimited planz
Click to expand...

The terms you write about are the same ones used by limited hosts. Why is it ok for limited hosts to have these "terms and conditions" but not unlimited hosts? This is the question the limited hosts are afraid to answer. Read my post above for more on this and quotas.

Here is a scenario that illustrates the essential difference between the limited plan and the unlimited plan. Consider the plans typically found with quota-based "limited hosting:"

Suppose your host has a 2 GB, 5 GB and 10 GB plan. You sign up for a 2 GB hosting plan. Now let's suppose your site grows to 2.1 GB. What happens? Your limited host will either:


1. Suspend your site when you hit the 2GB limit
2. Charge you a premium for going over the 2GB limit
3. Ask you to pay for the 5 GB plan, with a new bigger limit
4. All the above


Its different with an unlimited host. What happens with the unlimited hosting? Nothing! Your site goes from 2.0 GB to 2.1 GB without penalty, threats of suspension, or additional charges. That is what unlimited hosting is all about!
 
Collabora said:
Suppose your host has a 2 GB, 5 GB and 10 GB plan. You sign up for a 2 GB hosting plan. Now let's suppose your site grows to 2.1 GB. What happens? Your limited host will either:


1. Suspend your site when you hit the 2GB limit
2. Charge you a premium for going over the 2GB limit
3. Ask you to pay for the 5 GB plan, with a new bigger limit
4. All the above


Its different with an unlimited host. What happens with the unlimited hosting? Nothing! Your site goes from 2.0 GB to 2.1 GB without penalty, threats of suspension, or additional charges. That is what unlimited hosting is all about!
Click to expand...

First of all, a limited host is unlikely to suspend you for going over your quota without a warning because as an admin of your site, you will receive notifications that you are running out of space. Even if you don't, a responsible provider will contact the client proactively about it.

Secondly, there is nothing wrong with paying for resources used. If a host has a structure, you have to respect that as a client and be ready to pay more. Most times it means you are doing well, if your site is growing fast. So that is completely fair game.

Finally, a client should be paying for the experience and the support. You can be all the unlimited provider you want to be, but if a limited host provides better service than you, guess who I am going to stick with?

However, I want to see what happens if your site goes from 2.0 GB to 20 GB with an unlimited provider.

Cheers.
 
Artashes said:
First of all, a limited host is unlikely to suspend you for going over your quota without a warning because as an admin of your site, you will receive notifications that you are running out of space.
Click to expand...

Exactly, if a host is using cpanal then you will get warnings at

70%
75%
80%
85%
90%
95%
96%
97%
98%
99%

so that is 10 warnings/notifications you as a client will receive.

If a client has a 2GB plan and then go over to 2.1GB then the system will automatically suspend the site until the start of the next months quota. It is then upto the client to

1) either just leave their site down with a resources exceeded notice until their next quota period
2) contact the host to increase their resources at a cost.

its not as if the site is down without warning to the client.

Even unlimited hosts have to set limits in cPanel/Direct Admin etc., it just means the host has to keep an eye on the accounts so they increase resources before the client gets any warnings.
 
Artashes said:
First of all, a limited host is unlikely to suspend you for going over your quota without a warning because as an admin of your site, you will receive notifications that you are running out of space. Even if you don't, a responsible provider will contact the client proactively about it.

.
Click to expand...

So what? That does not detract from my point that that sort of activity will not occur with the unlimited host. Since 99.9% of websites suitable for a shared hosting environment don't go much over a couple GB, the unlimited hosting customer (and the host) don't need to worry about such activity or procedure

The purpose of limited host is to extract more money from the customer. If the price differential is a $3 between the 2GB and 5 GB plan, limited host is charging $3 for 100 mb. This it the true motivation behind the lies and propaganda by anti-unlimited by the limited host. Otherwise why try proving the unfeasablity of unlimited hosting by using example that do not exist (eg, the 20GB web site suitable for shared hosting environment. Never seen one yet, and thus never seen one denied)
 
Last edited:
Collabora said:
unless the purpose of limited host is to extract more money from the customer
Click to expand...

if a client goes over then why should then not pay. it is just like you going to a filling station for your car with $20 to fill up with $20 and oops you go over and fill up with $21, do you not think that you should pay the extra $1 as you only wanted $20 of gas.

it just the same if you pay for a 5GB plan and go over to 5.1GB then you have to pay for the extra .1GB that you have used.. with all the warnings the client will get they have plenty of chances to contact the host to increase their resources.
 
easyhostmedia said:
if a client goes over then why should then not pay..
Click to expand...

Its sad that you must misquote or remove context to make a point that's not at issue. No one is saying that your model is not right. I am merely contrasting the unlimited vs the limited model with examples that are relevant to real life.

If customer goes over they should pay. However, in the unlimited plan there is no such thing as "going over" in the sense that you are referring to. That this is difficult for you to grasp, or that you refuse to, is telling.
 
Collabora said:
Its sad that you must misquote or remove context to make a point that's not at issue. No one is saying that your model is not right. I am merely contrasting the unlimited vs the limited model with examples that are relevant to real life.

If customer goes over they should pay. However, in the unlimited plan there is no such thing as "going over" in the sense that you are referring to. That this is difficult for you to grasp, or that you refuse to, is telling.
Click to expand...

in unlimited plans a client can still go over, just that he wont be charged for the extra. some control panels dont allow a host to set resources to unlimited so a host has to set a limit when they create the plans, just that they dont have warnings set to go to clients and they increase the plans resources as and when needed so clients are not aware.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Supporters

Back
Top