How do they do it? Unlimited domains and bandwidth

Steve-Hostirian said:
Artashes, could you share your view of Hostgator's unlimited plan, I mean how they've managed grow their operations offering these plans, while branding themselves as a reliable provider?
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I can only assume the deep majority of their clients are small webmasters. I think that if all of their clients today start using "unlimited" resources, HostGator will quickly start feeling the pressure in delivering on those promises.
 
Unlimited only exists in numbers and outer space. There is no such thing as an unlimited amount of a physical object, therefore there can not possibly be an unlimited amount of bandwidth or disk space for an account. In every terms of service, it states that there is actually a maximum amount that one user can use. This is entirely unfair, but hosting companies do it anyway. It is only a way for them to persuade you to pay more for a service that is close to the same thing as the next step down. Domains, however, can be offered as an "unlimited service." As long as a domain is available, with an unlimited account the user can have as many as he/she wishes.
 
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Unfortunately, these "unlimited" hosting companies are tricking the customers, but believe it or not, they do have more sales then us.
 
firentire said:
Unfortunately, these "unlimited" hosting companies are tricking the customers, but believe it or not, they do have more sales then us.
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The term "unlimited" hosting has been around for longer than most of the hosts offering it, so unfortunately, it'll probably be around for a long time to come. :(

But we'll continue to take pride in offering plans with real limits and won't change a thing. Even if that means a few less sales. :)
 
everyone talks about unlimited been a great thing. if so can i ask a question

Can anyone tell me where i can get an unlimited diesel tank for my transit van as this would save me a fortune each week in fuel cost LOL
 
Unlimited has a nice ring to it doesn't it? It does at least until they load the servers up and they can't cope, making your website near inaccessible.
 
web3k said:
Unlimited has a nice ring to it doesn't it? It does at least until they load the servers up and they can't cope, making your website near inaccessible.
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this is why we do not, never have and never will offer unlimited space/bandwidth hosting and such things DO NOT exsist in the real world
 
It's pretty clear that the majority of providers on web hosting forums take issue with the term "unlimited bandwidth," so I wonder how you view Sprint's advertising the same term on their phone plans. Do you also believe this is a lie and unethical, and would you recommend potential subscribers to avoid them?
 
Steve-Hostirian said:
It's pretty clear that the majority of providers on web hosting forums take issue with the term "unlimited bandwidth," so I wonder how you view Sprint's advertising the same term on their phone plans. Do you also believe this is a lie and unethical, and would you recommend potential subscribers to avoid them?
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their is no such thing as unlimited space or bandwidth.

you buy a server with say 100GB space and 1000GB bandwidth, this is its limit, even if you advertise unlimited bandwidth the limit is still 1000GB
 
Steve-Hostirian said:
It's pretty clear that the majority of providers on web hosting forums take issue with the term "unlimited bandwidth," so I wonder how you view Sprint's advertising the same term on their phone plans. Do you also believe this is a lie and unethical, and would you recommend potential subscribers to avoid them?
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I personally have an unlimited phone plan and honestly, the service is poor to the point I cannot use it much to begin with. Half of my texts aren't sent, web browsing is slower than 1996 dialup and phone calls are dropped constantly.

So obviously offering an unlimited plan is not a good idea in any service industry. It's not sustainable because too many people will abuse it and results in a overall poor quality service.
 
its the same senario as when talk talk started " free broadband" everyone jumped at this to a point that they could not cope and were constantly having trouble.

in hosting industry you may see unlimited plans, but their will also be a fair use policy so you never get unlimited.

still looking for the unlimited diesel tank lol
 
HostMantis said:
I personally have an unlimited phone plan and honestly, the service is poor to the point I cannot use it much to begin with. Half of my texts aren't sent, web browsing is slower than 1996 dialup and phone calls are dropped constantly.

So obviously offering an unlimited plan is not a good idea in any service industry. It's not sustainable because too many people will abuse it and results in a overall poor quality service.
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That's interesting because my wife and I both have the Sprint EVO 4G and the speeds and services are outstanding for both of us. Obviously, our experience is much different than yours. To test, I just now tuned into the Discovery Channel and watched live TV without dropping a frame.
 
The business model is unsustainable that's the point.

the ones that do survive have limits in their TOS file limits, file size limits. it usually works out that unlimited hosts are more limited than limited hosts.

joe
 
HostMantis said:
I personally have an unlimited phone plan and honestly, the service is poor to the point I cannot use it much to begin with. Half of my texts aren't sent, web browsing is slower than 1996 dialup and phone calls are dropped constantly.

So obviously offering an unlimited plan is not a good idea in any service industry. It's not sustainable because too many people will abuse it and results in a overall poor quality service.
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Its very much a 'you get what you pay for' situation. I'm not surprised at the performance of your phone plan, as its typical of an unlimited plan.
 
Jgwynne said:
The business model is unsustainable that's the point.

the ones that do survive have limits in their TOS file limits, file size limits. it usually works out that unlimited hosts are more limited than limited hosts.

joe
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So when do you predict Hostgator is going to come crashing down?
 
Steve-Hostirian said:
So when do you predict Hostgator is going to come crashing down?
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so you are saying Hostgator have no limitations

http://www.hostgator.com/tos/tos.php

7a.) Resource Usage

User may not:
1) Use 25% or more of system resources for longer then 90 seconds. There are numerous activities that could cause such problems; these include: CGI scripts, FTP, PHP, HTTP, etc.
2) Run stand-alone, unattended server-side processes at any point in time on the server. This includes any and all daemons, such as IRCD.
3) Run any type of web spider or indexer (including Google Cash / AdSpy) on shared servers.
4) Run any software that interfaces with an IRC (Internet Relay Chat) network.
5) Run any bit torrent application, tracker, or client. You may link to legal torrents off-site, but may not host or store them on our shared servers.
6) Participate in any file-sharing/peer-to-peer activities
7) Run any gaming servers such as counter-strike, half-life, battlefield1942, etc
8) Run cron entries with intervals of less than 15 minutes.
9) Run any MySQL queries longer than 15 seconds. MySQL tables should be indexed appropriately.
10) When using PHP include functions for including a local file, include the local file rather than the URL. Instead of include("http://yourdomain.com/include.php") use include("include.php")
11) To help reduce usage, do not force html to handle server-side code (like php and shtml).
12) Only use https protocol when necessary; encrypting and decrypting communications is noticeably more CPU-intensive than unencrypted communications.
7b.) INODES
The use of more than 250,000 inodes on any shared account may potentially result in a warning first, and if no action is taken future suspension. Accounts found to be exceeding the 100,000 inode limit will automatically be removed from our backup system to avoid over-usage, however databases will still be backed up. Every file (a webpage, image file, email, etc) on your account uses up 1 inode.

Sites that slightly exceed our inode limits are unlikely to be suspended; however, accounts that constantly create and delete large numbers of files on a regular basis, have hundreds of thousands of files, or cause file system damage may be flagged for review and/or suspension. The primary cause of excessive inodes seems to be due to users leaving their catchall address enabled, but never checking their primary account mailbox. Over time, tens of thousands of messages (or more) build up, eventually pushing the account past our inode limit. To disable your default mailbox, login to cPanel and choose "Mail", then "Default Address", "Set Default Address", and then type in: :fail: No such user here.

7c.) Backup Limit
Any shared account using more than 20 gigs of disk space will be removed from our off site weekly backup with the exception of Databases continuing to be backed up. All data will continue to be mirrored to a secondary drive which helps protect against data loss in the event of a drive failure.

8.) Bandwidth Usage
You are allocated a monthly bandwidth allowance. This allowance varies depending on the hosting package you purchase. Should your account pass the allocated amount we reserve the right to suspend the account until the start of the next allocation, suspend the account until more bandwidth is purchased at an additional fee, suspend the account until you upgrade to a higher level of package, terminate the account and/or charge you an additional fee for the overages. Unused transfer in one month cannot be carried over to the next month.
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Paul0130 said:
Lol, the day that happens, there will be A LOT of users crying for hosting, :help:, looks like we will all gain big on that day.

Can't wait, shame it will never happen! :rolleyes2
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It could happen, in my 11 yrs in the industry i have seen some big names fold
 
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