Whmcs vs Hostbill

[Artashes]

whmcs is no longer usable.

Why is it not usable?

 

[SynTax]

Why is it not usable?

The price can be very high due to the exchange rates in the countries.
for example, 1$ = 8.16 lira in Turkey. so it is multiplied by x8. Imagine that a hosting company with 50.000 customers will have an approximate license fee of 6928.66 turkish lira per month and this monthly will be very high.

So, if it were me, I would have a special software company make my own customer management system for these prices and it would be much cheaper.

 

[Artashes]

So, if it were me, I would have a special software company make my own customer management system for these prices and it would be much cheaper.

You are gravely underestimating the cost of developing and maintaining your own software like this. To design proper software of this magnitude, that's stable and secure, that's easily hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of work.

 

[easyhostmedia]

You are gravely underestimating the cost of developing and maintaining your own software like this. To design proper software of this magnitude, that's stable and secure, that's easily hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of work.

Exactly as its not just developing the software to manage clients and billing, but all the modules and apps that allow you to use payment gateways, control panels etc.
If i have 10,000 + account on my server then I would not be moaning about spending $1000 on automated software to make my life easier

 

[SynTax]

You are gravely underestimating the cost of developing and maintaining your own software like this. To design proper software of this magnitude, that's stable and secure, that's easily hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of work.

Exactly as its not just developing the software to manage clients and billing, but all the modules and apps that allow you to use payment gateways, control panels etc.
If i have 10,000 + account on my server then I would not be moaning about spending $1000 on automated software to make my life easier

You think according to the pricing policy in your country and the prices seem suitable for you. But think like this, at the end of the month, the company demands $ 8100 for a license for which you currently pay $ 1000.

The country's currency, as you see here is a very effective factor about it and you can be very convenient but it costs so much more going on in Turkey x8.


As for the other topic, I already have a lifetime whmcs license, but since they will no longer support this, I will now examine a new software wisecp and I have observed that the prices are very well developed for a very reasonable time and I think it can be used in the near future. I think you should examine it too. wisecp

 

[easyhostmedia]

You think according to the pricing policy in your country and the prices seem suitable for you. But think like this, at the end of the month, the company demands $ 8100 for a license for which you currently pay $ 1000.

The country's currency, as you see here is a very effective factor about it and you can be very convenient but it costs so much more going on in Turkey x8.


As for the other topic, I already have a lifetime whmcs license, but since they will no longer support this, I will now examine a new software wisecp and I have observed that the prices are very well developed for a very reasonable time and I think it can be used in the near future. I think you should examine it too. wisecp

Did you read my calculations I did earlier

i.e. you have 100,000 clients (each with 1 account) so it is $999.95 div by 100,000 =$0.0099 per account per month.
then 100,000 clients each paying you an average of $15 per mth so 100,000 x $15 = $1.5 million per mth
and you argue about paying $1000 a month for the client management system.

I recently got back into hosting after a 2 year gap after running a hosting business for 18 years.
Some years ago I won a lifetime Blesta licence (but just used this to resell blesta), so this time round I am using this until I build up a new clientbase then I will most likely move back to using WHMCS

 

[SynTax]

Did you read my calculations I did earlier

i.e. you have 100,000 clients (each with 1 account) so it is $999.95 div by 100,000 =$0.0099 per account per month.
then 100,000 clients each paying you an average of $15 per mth so 100,000 x $15 = $1.5 million per mth
and you argue about paying $1000 a month for the client management system.

I recently got back into hosting after a 2 year gap after running a hosting business for 18 years.
Some years ago I won a lifetime Blesta licence (but just used this to resell blesta), so this time round I am using this until I build up a new clientbase then I will most likely move back to using WHMCS

It is really difficult to explain this situation to you because you have no way of understanding it. You have to live in Turkey to understand me because you still doing calculations on the dollar.

let me give an example. Imagine that 8 $ = 1 Turkish lira. This means that if you sell 10 products in your country, you will have 2 left.

When the money you receive from the customer is worth less than the money you pay, you have to earn more every time you pay the license fees and you need to have a little money left.

I do not expect you to understand this because you do not experience such a thing, your life conditions are much better than us, so everything seems comfortable to you

 

[easyhostmedia]

It is really difficult to explain this situation to you because you have no way of understanding it. You have to live in Turkey to understand me because you still doing calculations on the dollar.

let me give an example. Imagine that 8 $ = 1 Turkish lira. This means that if you sell 10 products in your country, you will have 2 left.

When the money you receive from the customer is worth less than the money you pay, you have to earn more every time you pay the license fees and you need to have a little money left.

I do not expect you to understand this because you do not experience such a thing, your life conditions are much better than us, so everything seems comfortable to you

yes because cPanel and WHMCS use the USD. the calculation works the same in Turkish lira or any currency

 

[easyhostmedia]

It is really difficult to explain this situation to you because you have no way of understanding it. You have to live in Turkey to understand me because you still doing calculations on the dollar.

let me give an example. Imagine that 8 $ = 1 Turkish lira. This means that if you sell 10 products in your country, you will have 2 left.

When the money you receive from the customer is worth less than the money you pay, you have to earn more every time you pay the license fees and you need to have a little money left.

I do not expect you to understand this because you do not experience such a thing, your life conditions are much better than us, so everything seems comfortable to you

So for you in Turkish lira 9999.95 USD = 8161.59 TRY
1 USD = 8.15974 TRY
1 TRY = 0.122553 USD
taken from https://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=15&From=USD&To=TRY

you have 100,000 clients (each with 1 account) so it is 8161.59 TRY div by 100,000 =0.0816 TRY per account per month.
then 100,000 clients each paying you an average of 122.39 TRY per mth so 100,000 x 122.39 TRY = 12.239 million TRY per mth
and you argue about paying 8161.59 TRY a month for the client management system.

 

[John @ S4]

then 100,000 clients each paying you an average of 122.39 TRY per mth

I think you are missing the point here, which I'm assuming is that you can't sell hosting services to clients in Turkey for the same price (in equivalent of USD) that you can in the US or most of Europe, just because income / cost of living are much lower.

So in your calculation the amount paid for the license should stay the same, but the amount charged to clients will be much lower. Which gives a completely different result.

 

[easyhostmedia]

I think you are missing the point here, which I'm assuming is that you can't sell hosting services to clients in Turkey for the same price (in equivalent of USD) that you can in the US or most of Europe, just because income / cost of living are much lower.

So in your calculation the amount paid for the license should stay the same, but the amount charged to clients will be much lower. Which gives a completely different result.

No

it's easy, you sell hosting in your currency for a cost per month. if you have 100,000 accounts then you simply divide your licence cost (overheads) by the 100,000 (or how many accounts you have). this gives you the cost per account to cover the licence (overheads).

you then x 100,000 by the average cost you charge for an account, this will give you the overall income you get per month.

You then can work out your profit by taking away the cost of the licence (overheads) from your income per month.

If you are faced with a negative figure then you are running at a lose and need to do something to make a profit.

but if you have 100,000 accounts and running at a loss then you are doing something wrong.

this is basic accounting no matter what country you are in

 

[easyhostmedia]

I think you are missing the point here, which I'm assuming is that you can't sell hosting services to clients in Turkey for the same price (in equivalent of USD) that you can in the US or most of Europe, just because income / cost of living are much lower.

So in your calculation the amount paid for the license should stay the same, but the amount charged to clients will be much lower. Which gives a completely different result.

I am fully aware of exchange rates as I live in UK and ran my first hosting business from 1999 to 2018 with all my servers etc. in the USA, so paid everything in USD. with exchanges rates what I actually paid every month changed, but no more than 10 GBP, but I accounted for this when I worked out my hosting plan prices

 

[Artashes]

@S4 Hosting may be correct. What @SynTax is saying is that price sensitivity is different in different countries. Regardless of how much you are generating in revenue, $1,000 in the United States is not the same as it is in Turkey, and completely different from what it is in Burundi. It bites harder over there.

 

[John @ S4]

No

it's easy, you sell hosting in your currency for a cost per month. if you have 100,000 accounts then you simply divide your licence cost (overheads) by the 100,000 (or how many accounts you have). this gives you the cost per account to cover the licence (overheads).

Yes, I understand the basic maths, that's not the point I was making.

Your calculation was based on being able to sell hosting plans for the same price in Turkey as you would in the US or UK, and what I was pointing out was that isn't necessarily the case.

Local purchasing power is much lower therefore you can only sell services for a lower price. The license cost doesn't change but the income per hosting client does, so the amount you are paying out per account to cover the license goes up.

 

[whmcsguru]

whmcs is no longer usable. I have a Whmcs lifetime license, but I will leave the hosting industry completely, so I will sell my license.

A: WHMCS is still quite usable. 10s of 1000s of users still use it every single day. if you had an owned license that was up to date on support, you'd still be able to download the latest version

B: You cannot sell your license or transfer it. Haven't been able to do so in years. Transfer of WHMCS licenses is prohibited per their TOS.

WiseCP is a decent alternative, though it's not as robust as WHMCS yet.

Hostbill is not an option . They have a horrible history of doing the exact same thing that WHMCS did a few years back, so if you run there, you're going to see the same thing. Additionally, they are not 'developer friendly', so if you need customization, prepare to pay way more.

Blesta shouldn't even be considered. It's slow development is just wrong on so many levels.

Clientexec isn't even in the same category as WHMCS

When it comes down to it, WHMCS is king because nobody and nothing else can compete with it. There is nothing else development feature wise out there that is even close.

That's not saying what they did is cool, but to spread false information (it's not usable, it's illegal, etc, etc, etc) is not helping the situation.

 

[server]

WiseCP is a decent alternative, though it's not as robust as WHMCS yet.

Could partly agree with second part of the sentence.

Hostbill is not an option .

Because it's in different league?

Blesta shouldn't even be considered.

Depends on what you need.

Clientexec isn't even in the same category as WHMCS

Who's making those categories?

When it comes down to it, WHMCS is king

Did you notice, that we live in decrowning times?

If one doesn't know anything about billing software, WHMCS is quite safe option, but others aren't such trash as you put here Hostbill have more supported providers out of the box and lifetime licensing (price for annual updates is fair enough).

 

[easyhostmedia]

Could partly agree with second part of the sentence.


Because it's in different league?


Depends on what you need.


Who's making those categories?


Did you notice, that we live in decrowning times?

If one doesn't know anything about billing software, WHMCS is quite safe option, but others aren't such trash as you put here Hostbill have more supported providers out of the box and lifetime licensing (price for annual updates is fair enough).

when i restarted my hosting business to help with initial costs I decided to use a lifetime Blesta licence i have ( won it in another forum comp.) and I must say, once I got it configured, it is amazing and does what it says on the tin

 

[kunnusingh]

We are using both.

WHMCS - Easy to use, Best for Shared/VPS Provider.
HostBill - Best for Dedicated server providers because they have an inbuilt plugin for server management.

Price: WHMCS has recurring billing and HostBill have a one-time price.

 

[whmcsguru]

Because it's in different league?

The only 'league' Hostbill in is in untrustworthy. They haven't shown themselves to be trustworthy at all, and HAVE indeed run the same kind of BS that WHMCS has when it came to pricing. In fact, on a much worse level.

Depends on what you need.

Not really:
Blesta has all the earmarks of a one man show, and that 'man' isn't very quick or friendly, with either updates, or releases. If you put your faith and trust in Blesta, you're dooming yourself to failure, inevitably.

Who's making those categories?

The people that use and test this software.
ClientExec has essentially been the same thing since day 1. Yes, it's updated a few things, but when it comes to things like APIs, Hooks, etc, Clientexec is nowhere near there. Same goes with ease of use

Did you notice, that we live in decrowning times?

No we aren't. Not where WHMCS is concerned. There's nothing out there even remotely close, and the team know that. Their clients remain with them (begrudgingly as it may be) because WHMCS is the best of the best, for now.

The field hasn't changed since WHMCS pulled this 'per client licensing' manure , some time ago. The main competition is still right where it was, and, honestly, nothing new has popped up

If we were in "de crowning times" as far as WHMCS is concerned, it would have happened already. This isn't their first massively bad thing. Hell, not even their second

This isn't to say I don't want some new blood, someone to come in and take away WHMCS' dominance. It desperately needs to happen. Unfortunately, nobody is poised to do so.

 

[server]

If you put your faith and trust in Blesta, you're dooming yourself to failure, inevitably.

Have some stats?

This isn't to say I don't want some new blood, someone to come in and take away WHMCS' dominance. It desperately needs to happen. Unfortunately, nobody is poised to do so.

There is nothing particularly special about WHMCS.

Most of big businesses in this industry use their own billing software. I don't think any of the providers I buy from use WHMCS. When I see it anywhere (I know it's highly subjective) that resource loses credibility for me. Because: it can be run by newbie or if they are rather known businesses, they usually don't bother customizing WHMCS to fit their main website design perfectly, which should be done in such case.