What is wrong with the web hosting industry?

[mjzhosting]

whoa, one sec....

I just read in another thread where you called any host that was more expensive, idiots, and greedy, and here you are charging your own mother interest on a $50 loan, after just telling us that she doesn't make very much money. You'll have to excuse me if I find that extremely hypocritical and just sick.

Then you take someone's hard work, and living, pirate it and sell it, and then talk about how great it was.

It just dawned on me, that I completely figured you out.

You're immature, have no real experience of what it's like to actually work for a living, and take other people's hard work for granted, as though it means nothing. This of course stems back to never having to bust your a*s to put food on the table.

I hope everyone is paying attention, because this is the generation that will be our presidents when we're old enough to need social security and medicare. For thosethat are not familiar with those two things....that is what you work for all of your working life, only to get it ripped out from under you by crook polititians, who most likely make a few extra bucks hosting, and selling pirated CD's to their joint chiefs for $10 a pop.

While what you say may be more or less true, the collective scapegoating of a 13 year old kid is all too easy. Do you have any vices? They might be more interesting to hear about opposed to the obvious naivety of a bright 13 year old kid.

EDIT:

I'm sure he's heard a lot worse from others, customers, etc.

He charged his mother interest on a personal loan for god sake. The woman that raised, fed, and took care of him. If anything she should charge him, plus interest for all the years she had to buy him crap, feed him, cloth him, etc.

I'm sorry but it makes me sick to think a child could do something like that, have absolutely no morals whatsoever, nor any type of work ethic, and then thinks it's just so damn funny, not to have any type of ethical personal backbone.

This same kid who thinks piracy is so great, would be the first to try and file suit, should someone steal something from him, or if his site wasn't a template, stole images from that.

Those damn kids and their wacky postmodern orientations WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO?!?!

 

[mjzhosting]

You do have a point although. Dishonesty is a big point, child run hosting is a growing concern, a few of my clients are infact children, most have reseller accounts, trying to make a quick buck.
I suppose it's fine if they can handle the support, and fulfill their clients needs, such as support, setting up and so on.

This caught my eye as well. The condemnation of child-hosting, while indeed valid in more cases than not, is completely hypocritical if you, as a host, knowingly support (provide accounts for) them. With a little effort, a "child host" is not all that hard to detect. You'll see endless amounts of webhosts complaining about kiddie hosts, while at the same time, passively providing safe haven for them in the form of reseller accounts... as long as a buck is being made, scruples can be discarded, right?

Reminds me of Wikipedias summary of Kierkegaard's concept of alienation that I was reading earlier today...

Alienation is a term applied to a wide variety of phenomena including: any feeling of separation from, and discontent with, society; feelings that there is a moral breakdown in society; feelings of powerlessness in the face of the solidity of social institutions; the impersonal, dehumanised nature of large-scale and bureaucratic social organisations. Kierkegaard recognizes and accepts the notion of alienation, although he phrases it and understands it in his own distinctly original terms. For Kierkegaard, the present age is a reflective age—one that values objectivity and thought over action; lip-service to ideals rather than action; discussion over action; publicity and advertising to reality; fantasy to reality. For Kierkegaard, the meaning of values has been sucked out of them by a lack of authority. Instead of the authority of the past or the Bible or any other great and lasting voice, we have emptiness and uncertainty.

I guess the above can be applied to this situation in terms of a lack of governining authority, but not just over the entire industry... a lack of autonomous governing authority--that is an individual's authority over his own principles. What's that you say? You don't like "kiddie hosts", yet you host them none the less? Why not take action then? Otherwise, what more are you than Kierkegaard's above bolded summation?

Funnily enough I got called being 14 because I decided to have a laugh on a forum, another thing with the hosting industry is plain agressivness to each other. You can understand trying to get clients. But agressivness to one-another and trying to bring down ones reputation is just plain sad.

As touched upon in my previous post, this is simply the nature of a competitive economic system. This sort of behavior will be nothing short of inevitable until an entirely new system is considered... but I think the failings within revolutionary theory go far beyond the scope of this thread, so I'll stop right there.

 

[peter phillips]

Apart from the age factor, the quality of a hosting service is also reflected by the amount of time, effort and dedication the owner is willing to put in it. There are issues like consistency, education and business responsibility that these kiddie hosts have to put up with on a daily basis. If they do not cope up with it then eventually it's the customer who is going to suffer. If a "kiddie" host or for that matter any host is of low quality, word will surely get around and the company will receive negative reviews either official or word-of-mouth. Not to mention the customer should do adequate research before signing any sort of contract. Customers care about one thing... SATISFACTION. :thumbsup:

 

[niyogi]

Off-topic but Matthew(!), how many times *did* you open the thesarus to compose your most-eloquent post! :-D

Roj

 

[mjzhosting]

Off-topic but Matthew(!), how many times *did* you open the thesarus to compose your most-eloquent post! :-D

Roj

Zero.

I think it is on topic though... your response is exactly what I'm talking about. The fear of personality and the need to justify/belittle/rationalize it and anything else that dares attempt expression outside of banality/commerce seems to be quite relevant to me.

EDIT: Ok I lied, I had to check the spelling of "laisser faire"

EDIT2: To specify, I just find it humorous because I get the thesarus comment from time to time and all that it really accomplishes is a justification of exactly what I'm saying. The comment at this point, is redundant... or to use that magic word: banal. It is nothing short of repeated thought. Why is it so hard for people to reckon with a challenge? The defeatist attitude is not only boring, but just lazy. Any decent attempt at originality is going to take effort making anything else more or less lazy. To list some obvious relevant examples: carbon copied mission statements are impersonal and lazy, cookie cutter templates are lazy, hosting plans entitled "bronze/silver/gold/etc" are lazy, any sort of conservatist political system is lazy (haha).

But sure, smite others because you're too lazy to form a personality outside of the words people expect you to say.

Sorry for the rant Roj, it's not necessarily directed at you at all... just broadcasting out into space as usual.

 

[Blue]

Maybe you get these comments because your you constant verbal diarrhea.

The only thing you ever seem to prove in your posts is that you can take 10 times longer then the rest of the population to say the same thing.

 

[Senad]

Matthew reminds me of the Matrix Reloaded character (the creator of the Matrix who gives Neo the option of going back to the source or the inevitable doom) .

EDIT: I just took a look at your site...you do know using such a large vocabulary on your site will eventually draw away potential clients...FIRST time I have ever seen ETHOS in the about us page on a web hosting company... :rolleyes2

 

[Exon]

Amen Blue!

 

[mjzhosting]

Maybe you get these comments because your you constant verbal diarrhea.

The only thing you ever seem to prove in your posts is that you can take 10 times longer then the rest of the population to say the same thing.

Nuclear Diarrhea Sexual Palestine (philistine?)

Thank you for further adding truth to my words with your predictable reply, Blue! By choosing to engage in the defamation of my character over attempting a coherent response (classy), you're really only managing to prove my point. Not that I really considered I was wrong or anything, it's just interesting to receive such inadvertent justification.

Matthew reminds me of the Matrix Reloaded character (the creator of the Matrix who gives Neo the option of going back to the source or the inevitable doom) .

I like your comparison, but replace "or" with "of" and it might be more fitting

EDIT: I just took a look at your site...you do know using such a large vocabulary on your site will eventually draw away potential clients...FIRST time I have ever seen ETHOS in the about us page on a web hosting company... :rolleyes2

Exactly, that is my hope. I want MJZ Web Hosting to fail, to ward off potentials who fear terms outside of the commerce they were brought up within... or to sum it up, who fear individual expression. In all honesty, they're better off elsewhere if the idea of something so harmless as playing with the English language makes them uncomfortable. Again, this rejection of any sort of deviating original expression is exactly what I'm talking about. It's interesting that people would rather unwittingly engage in the problem instead of reckoning with it. While it does more or less prove my point without a doubt, it would be a lot nicer to see people recognize the plight.

Either way, ethos is a fun word!

 

[webfreak08]

Sorry, Matthew. But, do you realize how stupid you sound?

 

[Exon]

Thank you for further adding truth to my words with your predictable reply, Blue ! By choosing to engage in the defamation of my character over attempting a coherent response, you're really only managing to prove my point. Not that I really considered I was wrong or anything, it's just interesting to receive such inadvertent justification.

Here, let me be predictable, and further add truth to your words by not engaging in the defamation of your character, but rather telling you straight up and flat out:
Open a newspaper. Look at the level they write at. Now, they're a professional operation that has quotas, budgets, and some even have people who yes, use bigger words than you every day. Now, at the same time they understand that by using those big words they don't sound smart, they sound egotistical and most people tend to avoid them.

 

[dubs]

haha I wonder how long he spends per post. Proboly puts it in word and right clicks every word to get a neat synonym.

 

[mjzhosting]

Here, let me be predictable, and further add truth to your words by not engaging in the defamation of your character, but rather telling you straight up and flat out:
Open a newspaper. Look at the level they write at. Now, they're a professional operation that has quotas, budgets, and some even have people who yes, use bigger words than you ever day. Now, at the same time they understand that by using those big words they don't sound smart, they sound egotistical and most people tend to avoid them.

Newspapers cater to a grade 9 reading levels by necessity. However, you are mistaken if you think what I do is about using big words to fluff an ego.

EDIT: Thanks for the rational reply at least, it's appreciated. Joining in on the cavalcade of cheapshots is all too easy.

 

[mjzhosting]

Sorry, Matthew. But, do you realize how stupid you sound?

Stupid in contrast to what?

 

[Exon]

Newspapers cater to a grade 9 reading level by necessity. However, you are mistaken if you think what I do is about using big words to fluff an ego.

EDIT: Thanks for the rational reply at least, it's appreciated. Joining in on the cavalcade of cheapshots is all too easy.

That's just it, you're so defensive that you MISUNDERSTOOD what I said. I NEVER said YOU were egotistical, or that you attempted to, "Fluff your ego". If you'd get off your high horse, and just reread what I said for a minute maybe you'd grasp what I said.

Oh, perhaps I should've used big words? I'm sorry.

 

[Senad]

Exactly, that is my hope. I want MJZ Web Hosting to fail, to ward off potentials who fear terms outside of the commerce they were brought up within... or to sum it up, who fear individual expression. In all honesty, they're better off elsewhere if the idea of something so harmless as playing with the English language makes them uncomfortable. Again, this rejection of any sort of deviating original expression is exactly what I'm talking about. It's interesting that people would rather unwittingly engage in the problem instead of reckoning with it. While it does more or less prove my point without a doubt, it would be a lot nicer to see people recognize the plight.

Either way, ethos is a fun word!

Wow, first time I've read that a business would rather fail than earn customers...Continually reading your dribble only makes you prove one thing: You believe that by using "superior" wording it either A) Boosts your ego, B) makes you sound smart, C) make your superior above others, or D) having some fun pissing off a bunch of people.

I'm not saying which one I agree with (it may be a few or many) but I'm sure others see it in this sense as well.

 

[Exon]

It doesn't piss me off so much when he uses big words, but just that he takes things ENTIRELY the wrong way.

 

[Senad]

Exon the problem is not only that he takes it entirely the wrong way...it's that because he uses such vocabulary, he HAS to in a sense ponder about every word you state so he can write his large pile of garbage that will have even wrongfully interpretated information.

This entire thing just has made him look entirely childish.

 

[Blue]

Nuclear Diarrhea Sexual Palestine (philistine?)

Thank you for further adding truth to my words with your predictable reply, Blue! By choosing to engage in the defamation of my character over attempting a coherent response (classy), you're really only managing to prove my point. Not that I really considered I was wrong or anything, it's just interesting to receive such inadvertent justification.

And thank you for one again proving my point that 90% of what you write is useless fluff.
Smart people don't feel the need to try and impress others with their vocabulary. Insecure people on the other hand often do.

 

[mjzhosting]

That's just it, you're so defensive that you MISUNDERSTOOD what I said. I NEVER said YOU were egotistical, or that you attempted to, "Fluff your ego". If you'd get off your high horse, and just reread what I said for a minute maybe you'd grasp what I said.

Oh, perhaps I should've used big words? I'm sorry.

You said: "Now, at the same time they understand that by using those big words they don't sound smart, they sound egotistical and most people tend to avoid them."

This is insinuating that when I use big words, I don't sound smart, but instead sound egotistical which is why people tend to avoid me. If you meant it to mean something else, by all means, do tell. Otherwise, that interpretation works and I agree with it. The cynical thought that it is all about ego is one of the many things that will make people pre-judge others negatively/add to the fear of their own expression.

EDIT: Case in point...

You believe that by using "superior" wording it either A) Boosts your ego, B) makes you sound smart, C) make your superior above others, or D) having some fun pissing off a bunch of people.

I'm not saying which one I agree with (it may be a few or many) but I'm sure others see it in this sense as well.

EDIT#2: Case in point #2...

Smart people don't feel the need to try and impress others with their vocabulary. Insecure people on the other hand often do.