Blue
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That is the problem.
Some hosts will play on consumer ignorance.
A consumer not reading the TOS does not make a host who plagiarizes any less honest.
Things to Watch Out for in a Host -- That you May Not of Thought About
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That is the problem.
Some hosts will play on consumer ignorance.
A consumer not reading the TOS does not make a host who plagiarizes any less honest.
Here's a question about plagiarism and honesty. On Copyscape, the review allows for comparisons, which includes total words and percentage of content. At what percentage would you say copied content becomes dishonest, or is that a judgement call based on specific content? Obviously, just changing out the host name is dishonest, but I wonder beyond that?
Blue
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It's not about what I would say.
There are accepted guidelines.
http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k70847&pageid=icb.page342054
There are accepted guidelines.
http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k70847&pageid=icb.page342054
Hosts that Post one Thing and Do the Opposite
Thanks for understanding the gist of my post. In my attempts to conceal the identity of this host I seem to have allowed my post to take on a completely different meaning leading to accidental (?) hijacking of thread.
Thanks for understanding the gist of my post. In my attempts to conceal the identity of this host I seem to have allowed my post to take on a completely different meaning leading to accidental (?) hijacking of thread.
easyhostmedia
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TOS is a strange one to claim plagiarism over.
i.e
say you take out a VPS from JaguarPC, you have to abide by their TOS, so you set up reseller and shared plans on your VPS, now your clients have to abide by your TOS, which in turn you have to abide by JaguarPC TOS, so the easiest thing for you to do is copy JaguarPC TOS on your site (amend slightly with your business name) as what you have abide by so do your clients, so the best thing for your resellers are for them to copy your TOS.
yes this is different to having site content copied
i.e
say you take out a VPS from JaguarPC, you have to abide by their TOS, so you set up reseller and shared plans on your VPS, now your clients have to abide by your TOS, which in turn you have to abide by JaguarPC TOS, so the easiest thing for you to do is copy JaguarPC TOS on your site (amend slightly with your business name) as what you have abide by so do your clients, so the best thing for your resellers are for them to copy your TOS.
yes this is different to having site content copied
As it pertains to the gist of the thread, does not plagiarism directly pertain to intellectual honesty?
easyhostmedia - good point
Blue - thanks for the link to Harvard.edu
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I might of posted in this thread but I didn't see it.
To answer your question, absolutely you should watch out for something like this. We have a strict policy in my company that we don't flame or speak negatively in forum post or in any media outlet. That is unprofessional. Calling people out and getting upset over something they said only shows that the host will do the same thing to a client who may be right or states something that the host gets upset about.
I think there are a few good things to watch out for when selecting or using a host.
The #1 thing to look for is attitude. The reason I say this is because attitude can reflect your time spent with a host. We've all seen threads where companies insult their users or where they just plain call them liars. What type of company has such a poor attitude that they would do something like that to a paying customer?
If you have a host with a positive attitude that is willing to help and be there for their clients you will see a better provider than someone who just views the client as a number or as some 'idiot'.
I also think transparency is huge for hosting companies. Have you ever felt like you are in the dark when your website is down? Receiving notifications and updates based on things that are happening is key. Companies shouldn't be embarrassed when their server goes down. It happens. They should embrace it and keep the customer in the light as to whats happening and how it's being fixed.
The final thing I can think of at this moment is infrastructure. There are so many host out there that are fly by night. I'm not discrediting resellers or host that use a VPS for clients. I'm saying that if you look at what a host has to offer and how they are set up you may get a better experience.
From top to bottom I'd look to see if they are a legitimate registered business in their country. I'd also find out if they have the server structure to maximize quality. Is their billing on the same server as their clients? Do they have a DNS structure? How do they operate their business? Those types of things are what I'd look for when choosing a host.
Some people will state "do they have a brick and mortar office?" This is 2013, having an office is a thing of the past.
Just my two cents.
To answer your question, absolutely you should watch out for something like this. We have a strict policy in my company that we don't flame or speak negatively in forum post or in any media outlet. That is unprofessional. Calling people out and getting upset over something they said only shows that the host will do the same thing to a client who may be right or states something that the host gets upset about.
I think there are a few good things to watch out for when selecting or using a host.
The #1 thing to look for is attitude. The reason I say this is because attitude can reflect your time spent with a host. We've all seen threads where companies insult their users or where they just plain call them liars. What type of company has such a poor attitude that they would do something like that to a paying customer?
If you have a host with a positive attitude that is willing to help and be there for their clients you will see a better provider than someone who just views the client as a number or as some 'idiot'.
I also think transparency is huge for hosting companies. Have you ever felt like you are in the dark when your website is down? Receiving notifications and updates based on things that are happening is key. Companies shouldn't be embarrassed when their server goes down. It happens. They should embrace it and keep the customer in the light as to whats happening and how it's being fixed.
The final thing I can think of at this moment is infrastructure. There are so many host out there that are fly by night. I'm not discrediting resellers or host that use a VPS for clients. I'm saying that if you look at what a host has to offer and how they are set up you may get a better experience.
From top to bottom I'd look to see if they are a legitimate registered business in their country. I'd also find out if they have the server structure to maximize quality. Is their billing on the same server as their clients? Do they have a DNS structure? How do they operate their business? Those types of things are what I'd look for when choosing a host.
Some people will state "do they have a brick and mortar office?" This is 2013, having an office is a thing of the past.
Just my two cents.
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Blue
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That is not true entirely true Terry.
Companies pay a lot of money for intellectual property.
Some may be OK with a client using their text but that does not mean it is legal or ethical without either permission or giving credit to the original source.
Just because the terms are the same does not mean the verbiage is the same.
easyhostmedia
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every host/provider i have every used has had no issue with me using their TOS as no matter everyone down the line on the server has to adhere to the same TOS.
i.e. say the DC states in their TOS that adult content of any kind is forbidden, so the dedicated server provider has this in their TOS, and so does the VPS provider, but the reseller does not add this and one of their clients places an adult content site on the server.
The DC spots this, they will then inform their client (dedi) to do something about this, then they will inform their client (VPS) who then has to inform their reseller who decided to do nothing.
The DC then can suspend/terminate their dedi client which would effect everyone else down the line.
so it is in everyones benefit to use the same TOS
Indeed that was a great point. What I would normally run Copyscape on is testimonials, not TOS. It is just too funny when I find dozens of copies of generally written testimonials with no way to verify their validity.
Is it that difficult to ask your own clients come up with a few words about the service?
easyhostmedia
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Seems it is these days, the fact is that a lot of hosts use templates that have a testimonial area with many 2 or 3 written example testimonials, so you can see what they will look like on your site, but a lot just change the names on the testimonials thinking that it will be enough to look good
From my vague memory of a couple of law classes I had to take, legal content can't be legally protected (copyrighted). In other words, copying a legal verbiage (whether it is a TOS or else) is quite alright in the legal industry. I might be totally off, but this is one piece of info that stood out for me when I heard it. The other side of the equation is - why would you even want to copy a contract? It is always best to customize agreements based on your companies' needs.
easyhostmedia
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in the hosting industry their are things like whats allowed and not allowed on servers etc. which effect all accounts on servers from dedicated server to shared account, so to copy TOS is usually common, so you get all the relevant parts included, but then you amend other parts to suit you own companies needs. With ours after I wrote it up, I passed it onto a contact i have at my local trading standards to check it over to make sure it complied with current legislation and when it come back it the pits they had crossed out, bits then added and bits they amended it was like a re written TOS, but now i know it passes legal needs. if i need to amend a part of the TOS i send the amendment to TS to see if its suitable to be added.
One solution is to create another site under another name and sell the hosting there. As an example, that's what Easyhostmedia did with unlimited hosting. Since he has posted on dozens if not hundreds of occasions that unlimited hosting is a scam and a lie it would have damaged his reputation to sell it under his Nicedayhosting site. Likewise with penny hosting. Perhaps if you followed the same model it can be offered safely. (Of course, that is not to say you should go around bashing penny hosting while offering it)
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easyhostmedia
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LIES LIES LIES as i dont have any other site to sell hosting from. This just proves you are the one that spotted an advert on an AUCTION site so you abused me in my live chat which i banned you.
This is like saying anyone selling hosting on ebay run ebay.
Blue
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Pretty serious accusation.
Do you have some proof?
We could take you at your word but since you offer a lie yourself when you pretend unlimited is a reality I think a little evidence would be in order.
You are not exactly a credible source.
easyhostmedia
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I can explain fully what it was.
I use WHMReseller on my server, they recently started to allow Alpha reseller plans, so yes i placed a single ad on MY own auction website and no where else to see if their was any interested in alpha plans, yes i did list this as unlimited space as it was a testing offer, but the order link directed to the niceday hosting WHMCS cart. This showed no interest so no longer available.
I never created any other website to offer any other hosting. I wish Collabora would stop trying to put me down trying to turn other against me. As he attacked me on my live chat i have his IP.
How do you have proof that it was in fact Collabora? I think more details would be in order
easyhostmedia
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The IP taken from our live chat is from the same location as listed for his sites whois details.
and what he stated in this thread only points to a listing placed on our own auction site as a test, which he also brought up in the live chat.
read through his other posts and you will see he has a habit of lies
He doesn't. I have never went into chat on his site. But I did provide a link to his unlimited hosting to 3 well-respected members (I just could not believe my eyes he was selling unlimited hosting and got confirmation that what I thought I was seeing was actually what I was seeing). One of them may have.
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