Things to Watch Out for in a Host -- That you May Not of Thought About

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Our local hosting experts have mentioned many things to look for in a host, on many occasions, in many threads, and in many ways. These things have included warning signs saying "Keep Out" as well as the positive things to look for. That's what is great about forums like this one

One thing I have not seen listed is the quality of intellectual honesty and the capacity for willful deception. Is the character of the web hosting business owner important? What if a host had great servers but was dishonest in other arenas? Can this host be trusted?

What if the host is one of these local experts and went out of their way to bash unlimited hosts in hosting forums, accuse them of lying and scamming, but offered unlimited hosting themselves on a domain other than the one they advertise on here?

And what if this host used the content of unlimited hosts' posts (and sites) that explains how unlimited hosting works....on their own site, while at the same time calling such explanations lies in hosting forums?

Is this something we should watch out for when choosing a host? Is this acceptable behavior in a host?

Just askin'......

(Note: please do not derail this thread and turn it into an unlimited/limited debate. It will be considered off-topic. There is another live thread for that)
 
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I know there will always be the unlimited hate game and people will always play it.

Though for one to play the hate game and then offer unlimited hosting on a separate domain / website (or even on the same website just quietly) is beyond me.
 
As always, it's wise to use due diligence when selecting a hosting provider for your site. I understand where you're coming from, but in my experience, the majority of sharing hosting clients aren't all that hosting literate. When you move up to VPS, cloud, dedicated and colo services, that all changes.

I've been in the industry since '95 and every shared account I manage for clients now offers unlimited disk space and bandwidth. For my part, I'm more concerned about network stability, service support and bang for the buck than I am with an owner's view on unlimited hosting. :twocents:
 
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As always, it's wise to use due diligence when selecting a hosting provider for your site. I understand where you're coming from, but in my experience, the majority of sharing hosting clients aren't all that hosting literate. When you move up to VPS, cloud, dedicated and colo services, that all changes.

I've been in the industry since '95 and every shared account I manage for clients now offers unlimited disk space and bandwidth. For my part, I'm more concerned about network stability, service support and bang for the buck than I am with an owner's view on unlimited hosting. :twocents:
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But Steve, this has nothing to do with my post. I would appreciate if you could respond to the gist of my post (if you choose to respond, which of course, you don't have to :))

If a host posts content on a web hosting forum on the premise that Unlimited Hosting is practically a criminal enterprise and the same host offers unlimited hosting on a domain different than his main hosting business site, would this type of activity be acceptable behavior within the general hosting community. And should one refrain from recommending such a host because of this activity (not because of servers or hosting plans in general)
 
I don't know why but I like to ring sales and get techy, if they don't know much about CPU speeds, hard drive types and what CAT5's are, they get a slap, lol
 
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But Steve, this has nothing to do with my post. I would appreciate if you could respond to the gist of my post (if you choose to respond, which of course, you don't have to :))

If a host posts content on a web hosting forum on the premise that Unlimited Hosting is practically a criminal enterprise and the same host offers unlimited hosting on a domain different than his main hosting business site, would this type of activity be acceptable behavior within the general hosting community. And should one refrain from recommending such a host because of this activity (not because of servers or hosting plans in general)
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Thanks, but I knew where the gist of the thread was going, and opt'd to bite my tongue - thus my reserved reply. :) and I do think my reply was relevant (my perception). Since there is no real cohesiveness in the general hosting community, what's acceptable lands somewhere between white and black. I will say that I've opt'd to move everything I had at GoDaddy elsewhere because of their "activities," but that's just me. :)
 
If i knew a owner of a host was doing that I would probably not host with them. I do not like dishonest host, just as I don't like rude hosts or hosts that do not care about their customers.

Also i am not really a basher of unlimited hosting but I have mentioned my problems with hosts that I have used that have offered that. I have however given in an tried another unlimited just as an experiment and to see if they are actually all the same. I will review them when I am done testing them. Oh yes and I have had trouble with non unlimited hosts as well. I just had to put that in there but I don't want that to be the focus of my reply.
 
To be to the point- I wouldn't want to be with such a host. If a host were to say that limited is better than unlimited and still offer unlimited, that will be acceptable, but calling unlimited a scam and then offering the same will be a scam in itself.
 
Willful deception - selling things that obviously don't exist or are illegal (whether unlimited counts as that is t.b.d.). Examples: C class IP space for SEO reasons, 100% uptime promises, and promises like "I guarantee you can't crash our servers". Usually this stuff happens when the client is talking to sales and asks a question to either an incompetent sales officer or a deceptive one.

Intellectual honesty - selling things that do exist. There are tons of companies that do meet this requirement. This means no exaggeration, and, instead of glossing over the answer to a client's question with "yes", they'll take the time to explain to the client how what deceptive providers would say is impossible, then explain their alternative.

And what if this host used the content of unlimited hosts' posts (and sites) that explains how unlimited hosting works....on their own site, while at the same time calling such explanations lies in hosting forums?
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Looks like someone has some introspection to do ;)
 
I wonder if the OP shouldn't add to his watch list hosts who plagiarize most of their content.
 
Title of the thread is "Things to Watch Out for in a Host -- That you May Not of Thought About"

It seems reasonable for people to be wary of hosts who steal content.
 
I agree with Blue. When I saw this thread I thought the thread was going to be for making a list of things to watch out for.
 
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I wonder if the OP shouldn't add to his watch list hosts who plagiarize most of their content.
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Good point, Blue, but I wonder how you recognize what has and has not been plagiarized. I just ran Copyscape on a number of pages on different hosts with no conclusive results.
 
Sometimes it's easy Steve.
I know there are templates out there that some use but when the words are taken from a large and established site that would have their own lawyers drawing up the terms etc. it's pretty easy to tell when someone copy and pastes it and just changes a word here or there.
 
I have seen hosts copy the look of another host. I remember a host I used to have that ran across that issue a lot. They kept finding a lot of hosts copying their layout. Some times all they would do is change the name.
 
Interesting - I just ran Copyscape on Hostgator's TOS and came up with 186 results. Singlehop came up with 147 results. I can see where some are nearly identical, but how do you determine original author, without just assuming it's the larger more established provider? In Singlehop's case, there were some big name providers on the list.

Let me say upfront that I don't condone plagiarism. As it pertains to whether I'll recommend one hosting provider over another, plagiarizing terms of service does matter, but more-so due to custom wording of restrictions and billing clauses than copied content.

From a consumer's point of view, what percentage of prospects do you envision actually even reading a TOS? I believe I'm the exception because I read every word. I have to say that some providers put some pretty bizarre clauses in their TOS. As this pertains to the thread, I'd say things to watch out for in a host (that you may not thought of) are those clauses.
 
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Title of the thread is "Things to Watch Out for in a Host -- That you May Not of Thought About"

It seems reasonable for people to be wary of hosts who steal content.
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My mistake then. I can see how that can happen. I thought the actual post would define the context. Maybe I can get Art to edit the title. In the meantime, now we know the subject of OP.
 
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