How does a shared plan host multiple domains?

Collabora said:
Why create a new account for every site one wants to host. The cpanel architecture is flawed and their add-on domain feature is just a subdomain hack. But for some reason you think that is best. So be it

All other control panels I have used create new domains/sites equally whether each site is on the same customer account or on many customer accounts. As a matter of fact, if you were to create sites manually that is exactly what you should do. Its called "best practices."
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i dont allow addon domains on any plans as if a user want to use extra domains then they need a reseller account as its too easy for a user on a shared plan sell space and use the addon domains for resold accounts

anyway looks like cpanel are changing the way it sets up accounts

https://features.cpanel.net/topic/a...-so-that-i-can-have-better-multidomain-setups
 
easyhostmedia said:
i dont allow addon domains on any plans as if a user want to use extra domains then they need a reseller account as its too easy for a user on a shared plan sell space and use the addon domains for resold accounts
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What you really mean is you don't want a user managing web sites for others? The add-on domains are managed with the same control panel instance as the first domain. The owner of the first domain is the owner of the add-ons. Thus there is no true way to resell with add-ons -- at least no differently than selling subdomains (if one wanted to)

Personally, I charge for add-on domains (its the only difference between my unlimited plans).

anyway looks like cpanel are changing the way it sets up accounts

https://features.cpanel.net/topic/as...idomain-setups
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Doesn't look like the same thing, and its a 3-year old post. That request looks like they want the main domain as a subdirctory of public_html just like the add-on domains are when main domain is on public_html (as is currently the case)
 
Collabora said:
What you really mean is you don't want a user managing web sites for others? The add-on domains are managed with the same control panel instance as the first domain. The owner of the first domain is the owner of the add-ons. Thus there is no true way to resell with add-ons -- at least no differently than selling subdomains (if one wanted to)

Personally, I charge for add-on domains (its the only difference between my unlimited plans).



Doesn't look like the same thing, and its a 3-year old post. That request looks like they want the main domain as a subdirctory of public_html just like the add-on domains are when main domain is on public_html (as is currently the case)
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An addon domain is given its own FTP, so technically can be sold with the main account holder managing the site for a client.

Cpanel are going ahead with that new system that all accounts even the main domain will be in a sub folder so in the default public_html you will just have folders with 1 folder holding the main domain files
 
easyhostmedia said:
An addon domain is given its own FTP, so technically can be sold with the main account holder managing the site for a client.
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Right, but account holder could only sell ftp logins to sites that he/she own. Not sure how that translates into an alternative to reseller situation and, thus, not to be allowed. What are you foreseeing exactly when its allowed?
 
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Collabora said:
Right, but account holder could only sell ftp logins to sites that he/she own. Not sure how that translates into an alternative to reseller situation and, thus, not to be allowed. What are you foreseeing exactly when its allowed?
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Not really. say you had a domain and i had a shared account, i could sell you an account with me managing the site on your behalf.
So you pay me and give me the domain name, which i add to my shared account as an addon domain and give you the nameservers you need for the domain and give you the FTP details for that addon domain. this would allow you to add content to the domain just like any account, plus i could managed the site for you.
 
ExonHost said:
cPanel is changing their primary domain management system. They have planned to change current system. So seems they are going like direct admin structure.
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That's actually great news. When ughosting mentioned above DirectAdmin was different from cPanel and explained the file structure, I thought it was actually pretty smart of DA to keep things separate and more clean that way. I am glad to hear cPanel has been considering the switch, but it is unclear when that happens as the discussion appears to be a few years old.
 
easyhostmedia said:
Not really. say you had a domain and i had a shared account, i could sell you an account with me managing the site on your behalf.
So you pay me and give me the domain name, which i add to my shared account as an addon domain and give you the nameservers you need for the domain and give you the FTP details for that addon domain. this would allow you to add content to the domain just like any account, plus i could managed the site for you.
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Right, but again, the 2nd domain owner (and 3rd, and 4th, etc) is (are) just getting an ftp login for his (their) money. I just don't see what kind of customer (owner of main domain) would do that to avoid paying a little bit more for a reseller account, if indeed, customer wants to be a reseller.

I guess I haven't run into any. I do have at least a couple customers with 5-10 different sites on one account. But they do all the work on them (judging by the tickets.)
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Artashes said:
That's actually great news. When ughosting mentioned above DirectAdmin was different from cPanel and explained the file structure, I thought it was actually pretty smart of DA to keep things separate and more clean that way. I am glad to hear cPanel has been considering the switch, but it is unclear when that happens as the discussion appears to be a few years old.
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I have had discussions in that thread and even with cPanel direct and no one can give a straight answer to when it will be set as all i got from them si

Terry,

My take on what was discussed was also that this would not affect your existing accounts only new accounts if the feature was approved and developed which in itself will likely take months to complete before publishing to make sure there are no bugs or conflicts with that proposed change.

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cPanel, Inc
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as my concern was if they change this without notice in a cpanel upgrade as they normally do then current sites which use scripts that have configurations linking to the default public_html folder will break until the config setting are amended to the new file structure.
 
Collabora said:
Right, but again, the 2nd domain owner (and 3rd, and 4th, etc) is (are) just getting an ftp login for his (their) money.
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WRONG again as they are getting space to host their website, and yes it happens with people getting shared plans and selling space to others using addon domains.

And yes some people will take hosting and then have the host manage the site for them.
I have 3 clients on shared plans that also pay me to managed their sites (ie. upload fresh images, changed text etc.
 
As I understand it, an addon domain client would not have access to the control panel. He would only have ftp access.

A reseller account would give clients of the reseller control panel access. In my mind a reseller would not typically be managing the client's site because he is now the host. A hosting company would not typically manage a client's site either.

So again in my opinion and the way I have always thought for the past 15 years is that a reseller is reselling the hosting aspect. A web developer's primary concern is managing a client's site and therefore could just add his client's site to his own account. His client doesn't need access to a control panel because his client is not managing his site.

Before I knew about Cpanel or Directadmin I wrote a control panel for my clients and the above is what I had in mind when I wrote it.
 
LittleCreek said:
As I understand it, an addon domain client would not have access to the control panel. He would only have ftp access.

A reseller account would give clients of the reseller control panel access. In my mind a reseller would not typically be managing the client's site because he is now the host. A hosting company would not typically manage a client's site either.

So again in my opinion and the way I have always thought for the past 15 years is that a reseller is reselling the hosting aspect. A web developer's primary concern is managing a client's site and therefore could just add his client's site to his own account. His client doesn't need access to a control panel because his client is not managing his site.

Before I knew about Cpanel or Directadmin I wrote a control panel for my clients and the above is what I had in mind when I wrote it.
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Yes, but if a client comes to you and wants you to host and look after their site, then they wont need control panel access, so FTP access would do them, so then that host could add that clients domain as an addon domain to his shared account, but still he is reselling on a shared account, which any host will not allow this.

so my personal opinion is a shared hosting plan is for the hosting of a single domain, if you want to run extra domains then you should opt for a reseller account.
 
LittleCreek said:
I started allowing it back in 1999. Of course I was charging a lot more for hosting back then too.
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yes when i started in 1999 i only offered shared, but things were different then.

now with the amount of 3rd party scripts which demand different settings on servers clients are asking for more
 
easyhostmedia said:
WRONG again as they are getting space to host their website, and yes it happens with people getting shared plans and selling space to others using addon domains.
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Not really. The account holder is the one that gets the space. Really doesn't matter who's site it is -- its the same space.

If it works for you that's fine. Its just that your logic is wrong. Your logic dictates that such an account holder should have a reseller account even if he has one site -- if that site belongs to someone else and he/she is just managing it. He is, like you said, "selling space for someone else."

I don't allow reselling add-on domains either, but I allow add-on domains. You can always check the ftp accounts if suspicious for clues
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If we have an abuse or compromise problem we tend to suspend the user and not the domain (which is a DA option).
Because of this most customers do not go for the multiple "sub users" in a shared account option, as it's the equivalent of us suspending a whole reseller account because of a single user (which we do not do).
 
Collabora said:
Not really. The account holder is the one that gets the space. Really doesn't matter who's site it is -- its the same space.
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but you will be selling the space to place the site on, so yes you would provide the clients with FTP details but their site will be taking up say 100MB which they are also paying to use.

a reseller plan is just a shared plan where the main account holder has been given reseller rights to resell parts of the space they rent off you and each domain owner will be given use of a control panel.

reselling parts of a shared account without reselling rights is just the same expect the domain owners are not given a control panel, so they cannot control their website apart from add things through FTP
 
ughosting said:
If we have an abuse or compromise problem we tend to suspend the user and not the domain (which is a DA option).
Because of this most customers do not go for the multiple "sub users" in a shared account option, as it's the equivalent of us suspending a whole reseller account because of a single user (which we do not do).
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In cPanel if an abuse report is filed then we suspended that particular account/domain. if its for non payment then the main account is suspended which if a reseller will suspend all domains under his account.

So if its a shared account and he has 6 addon domains then they all get suspended as they are all on the same account.

so we only allow 1 domain on a shared plan
 
I think sometimes we get into a mentality that there is a right and wrong way of doing something when in fact its just a preference. Different providers have different policies based on how they want to do business. I don't think any of the ways that have been discussed are right or wrong, just different. Whether a provider chooses to let a shared account resell or not is really up to the provider and nobody else can say its right or wrong.
 
LittleCreek said:
I think sometimes we get into a mentality that there is a right and wrong way of doing something when in fact its just a preference. Different providers have different policies based on how they want to do business. I don't think any of the ways that have been discussed are right or wrong, just different. Whether a provider chooses to let a shared account resell or not is really up to the provider and nobody else can say its right or wrong.
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every provider i have come across will not let anyone resell on a shared account. a shared account is not geared up to allow reselling.
 
The use of addon domains is coming to an end in my opinion as time goes on more are asking for whm and unlimited domains than addon domains. But the offering of addons is ok as long as the hosts provide offsite backups to the client giving that extra added security and peace of mind.
 
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