Ethics of Review Incentives

[PolurNET]

JMWeb not answering basically looks to me as though he took all of us on one hell of a ride and I can only apologize for being taken on it. But with life we live and learn and experience something new.

I'd like to clarify that jmweb has not answered on behalf of our agreement that he will not continue this discussion or add any more information about this matter. So, him or his company's credibility should not be questioned at all, to avoid any further conflicts... he will instead deal with the situation directly with the staff of WHT, when requested by them.

 

[Senad]

PolurNet then I'm sorry but this is going to go nowhere then. I'm feeling like being pulled apart three ways but I will have to publish one thing here in regards to one of the PMs you sent me.
Look I'm here to find the truth out because I feel that I've been taken for a nice big ride here and frankly I don't have the patience for it anymore. I feel like I'm being taken on another big ugly ride...and basically I don't like it so let me end it.

So let the truth come out here and NOT WHT because basically they don't believe John according to the PM you sent me:

MOD NOTE: Post edited. The content of the Private Message was desired to remain private.

 

[PolurNET]

Senad:

WHT is still in process of collecting information. They are not giving us information on the status at this time. They are researching the situation themselves and will come up with an appropriate answer when possible. However, further complicating the situation with your own investigation isn't exactly what we're asking for, as there is already a neutral third-party doing their work.

At this time, they don't believe us nor the other party involved, they're basically saying they're going to judge this impartially.

Thanks for your comprehension

 

[PolurNET]

I will end this discussion for the time being with one final remark:

1) PMs are meant to be private; not public.

2) My apologies to jmweb again, due to further complications, which I'm partly responsible for, that occured due to a breach of trust. Senad seemed to want the truth, but when I PM'd him with further information, it was not only exposed, but also demonstrates he doesn't want to wait for the truth to come from the neutral third-party, which is still an ongoing issue.

jmweb is trying to keep away from the public about this matter upon our request and now I will also do the same. I hope it continues this way until everything is settled properly by the appropriate third-parties, not on some public forum.

I highly suggest this thread gets locked until all parties involved can recollect their thoughts and mind each others' business, when it is already being taken care of.

Thanks

 

[Senad]

1) PMs are meant to discuss things that are private matter. You seemed to be going behind jmwebs and my own back playing around with us. If you wished to keep information PRIVATE you should not give information to me, like I said I don't like to keep secrets unless it has to do with client privacy or other highly sensitive data. A company which is now more than ever proving to be possibly paying incentives by having JMWeb hide information in most of the readers minds is allready guilty. I neither agreed nor signed any legal means to keep any statements made by your "PMs". You disclosed the information to me which as I stated earlier I would disclose everything. PMs can also been seen as Messenger chats...does information get leaked there? Of course. Also make note that anything we post IS in clear text (including PMs). So stating that PMs are supposed to be private is jibberish unless we really go into the finite security details.

2) Why do you and jmweb keep making some sort of deals and bargains not to release information? What are you SO afraid of that you need to continue to discuss with him?

3) JMWeb why do you need to feel it is important to hide and negotiate critical evidence and information that obviously PolurNet is afraid to be shown in public?

This is the most bizzare situation that I have, without a doubt, read or heard of.

Mind each others business? It seems that now more than ever you are guilty for your actions or incentives for reviews especially since you try to hide certain "documents" which JMweb has. Why JMWeb decides to negotiate is very confusing.

This is the second time in which JMWeb has stated he will release the information only for you to make an apology after attacking him? You also claim he hates your company with guts...yet he hides information for you?

May I ask if this is all just some high publicity stunt because it sure seems like it.

As you stated in your OWN PM. Softwarereview does not believe JMWeb, how is that neutral? The only neutrality I have seen is on these forums which have not closed the discussion but let it remain open and have helped in the investigation.

You may wish to end and let this conversation die but frankly that's the wrong way to end it if you ARE innocent.

Mods I ask you do not lock this thread as this is far from finished and is only starting to unravel even further. As you can clearly see there is critical evidence that PolurNet does NOT wish for us to see and is hiding the information. I have recieved new information in regards to this situation from jmweb which will be disclosed in a short time...there is no deal breakers or makers with me

 

[MisDub]

Guys get over it. God, you guys have punshed PolurNet on 3 different forums. Get a life.

You guys should be wasting this time improving your business not fighting on a forum over something as stupid as this.

Look at these posts. Half of them are over 2 pages. Now seriously. CrazyTech works for ChronicHosting.

Chronic Hosting != PolurNet

(Just doesn't work.)

Senad = Sheep.. Follows everyone. Doesn't have his own two feet or any reason to be picking on PolurNet. Also PM = Private Message.. Note the word private. I think posting a private message for everyone so they can see is just stupid. You have a problem talk it over with him on a private basises. We all want the same thing, clients.. We are all in the same market.. So we will fight.. But do it privatly. Because if I was a client looking for hosting I would see this forum and think of 3 companies who waste time doing stupid things. Do you ever see Site5 or HostGator fight on a forum?. NO they spend there time work with clients and improving there services.

I mean sheep by he is following on what John Morris says. Well that is just retarded. John Morris has always hated PolurNet. PolurNet always hated John Morris.. There is many battles.. All of them stupid.. They are fighting over Namepros and it is getting tired.. What have to got to proof.. So far you have spammed 3 forums with non-sense. Bashed PolurNet so hard.. I don't even think anything else will do anything else.

So drop it. Close it. Or take it too PMS. AND DON'T POST THEM ON FORUM SO EVERYONE CAN READ. THEY ARE PRIVATE!!

- Steve

 

[Blue]

Well, considering that this is a hosting forum, and this is a hosting related issue, I see nothing retarded about the conversation at all.
All decent hosting forums have rules against shill posts and solicited reviews and Polurnet seems to be very much soliciting reviews.
Nothing he has posted would contradict this and yet he continues to deny it.

Let me repeat: This is a hosting forum and this thread is regarding a hosting related issue. What is your problem with this?

By the way, You wouldn't happen to be the "Dub" aka Steven that works for Polurnet are you?

 

[Senad]

Well, considering that this is a hosting forum, and this is a hosting related issue, I see nothing retarded about the conversation at all.
All decent hosting forums have rules against shill posts and solicited reviews and Polurnet seems to be very much soliciting reviews.
Nothing he has posted would contradict this and yet he continues to deny it.

Let me repeat: This is a hosting forum and this thread is regarding a hosting related issue. What is your problem with this?

By the way, You wouldn't happen to be the "Dub" aka Steven that works for Polurnet are you?

Nic Catch Blue.

BTW Dub, My business is doing just fine and nothing is effected by me posting here. Servers are up, secure, customers are getting their replies as usual and no problems on our migration as planned.

This is a hosting forum and this is indeed a serious discussion. I'm glad another staff of PolurNet came in here however.

 

[Artashes]

WebHostingTalk never was and never will be a neutral party. What right do they have to judge?
Same goes for HostingDiscussion. The difference is - HostingDiscussion will allow all to speak out and say what's on their minds without interference, but ensuring politeness.
If anyone here is looking for any kind of neutrality, I suggest you take it to court. Justice, after all, is what the judge says.

So far we have a couple of parties talking without particular hard evidence. Another party does not wish to disclose information, so it'll never lead to anything but negative tension. I would like to avoid that. I am sure you do, too. We've had plenty of time, everyone said what was on their mind (a lot of points were made) - its up to everyone now to make their own conclusions, keeping in mind of course, the nature of public information and its accuracy.

Thread closed.

 

[MisDub]

Yah got a problem with it?

Standing up for a company I work for.. I don't see a reason not too. You guys continue to bash him. I might go out of work. In that case.. I will have to get a new job. That would really suck.

So now Blue. Got a question. Why do you join in on these. Did you ever have a problem with PolurNet or is it just that our customers spam WHJ with 5/5 reviews.. Even when we don't ask. And when a customers asks to post a review and asks where he should and we tell him WHT. People start fighting.

By the way how do you know I work with PolurNet? I don't generally tell anyone.

Also.. (Sorry I'm not done yet).. Noticed WHT closed the thread..

Meh.. I have no reason to post.. I shall leave you guys too your fighting.. I have clients to tend too.

Avior!

- Steve

 

[PolurNET]

All decent hosting forums have rules against shill posts and solicited reviews and Polurnet seems to be very much soliciting reviews

All decent forums also have rules against defammatory remarks, such as your continued use of the word "shill". NP Staff is already condemning such use of language, and they know you're self-interests

You seem to be blind without reading any of the posts that clearly demonstrate counterevidence. But of course, you've got no "incentive" in being neutral here, propagating more useless rubbish is your job. Unfortunately, this type of behaviour speaks volumes about the three of you who continually try to spread these rumors on the basis of jealousy, and in spite of having no real evidence yourselves.

 

[Artashes]

In the couple of minutes that I forgot to lock the thread, I wanted to make closing statements to posts that took place.

Even when we don't ask. And when a customers asks to post a review and asks where he should and we tell him WHT. People start fighting.

Steve, to answer your previous "Yah got a problem with it?" comment... Yes, usually we DO have a problem with unethical business practice. And we do care if you, as you just said, send customers to WHT to leave reviews, knowing perfectly how other industry folks react to those. Unfortunately, nothing that will be brought up in this thread will provide any hard evidence for that.

You seem to be blind without reading any of the posts that clearly demonstrate counterevidence.

Nothing that was demonstrated showed any counter evidence whatsoever.

But of course, you've got no "incentive" in being neutral here, propagating more useless rubbish is your job. Unfortunately, this type of behaviour speaks volumes about the three of you who continually try to spread these rumors on the basis of jealousy, and in spite of having no real evidence yourselves.

Anand, I can assure you no one here is particularly jealous of your position. Their voluntary job is not to post rubbish material, but to attack the business practice of the industry that they see as unethical. No one had real evidence, but no one said they did. All they did was testing what they saw was suspicious, which was never proven otherwise.

As far as I know, everyone involved in this discussion, including Blue and Senad, run great companies. However, you never hear any bad reviews, nor any good reviews about them. You know why? Perhaps its because they don't point their customers to web sites to leave reviews on.

 

[Artashes]

I received a few important pieces of information shortly after locking this thead. That information, I believe, deserves some attention. So I am re-opening this thread because I think a few more things need to be explained before we can consider this discussion exhausted. That information will be posted soon.

I would like to add that this discussion will be under strict supervision by HD Moderators. Please remain friendly and remember that politeness and professionalism, even during tense times, goes a long way.

 

[Senad]

Thank you for kindly goofing up there MisDub and PolurNet because you just gave me new evidence that SHOWS that you can clearly lie flat out...

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpost.php?p=3444761&postcount=47
PolurNet claims they do not hire children or pay under minimum wage (which is illegal).

Yet they advertised it on NamePros.

Wait new evidence that they STILL DO:

MisDubs - Age 15...last time I checked 15 was still a minor yes?

Member of HostingDiscussion.com
You can see him job hunting here:
http://www.hostingdiscussion.com/em...re-tech-support-agent-paid-4-each-ticket.html

And now he is staff of PolurNet...
http://www.hostingdiscussion.com/36703-post70.html

Another lie to the communities by PolurNet yes in order to advert attention?

MisDub I suggest you let the adults talk.

Thank you Art very much for allowing me and others to post the latest evidence.

 

[jmweb]

Post 1 of multiple

My post is going to be a long one and I hope this will end all this garbage. I obviously don't want to be invovled but seeing how my names been thrown around it doesn't look like I have much of an option.

I first found out about PolurNet on Namepros. I did critize Anand at first about having a site yet his links do not work.
The pages I thought were not working were the ones that say

This page is not available yet. Please check back soon...
You are being transferred back to the homepage [click here to return immediately]

My mistake, things were setup to be that way (and still are). I later on let him know it was my mistake.

Being a member of multiple forums has brought on some interesting topics. I learn companies names and a bit about them. I like to see whats working for some and combine it with some new stuff to make it better. Always looking to improve. So I'd keep up to date on what others are doing.




Which led to 10-06-2005, 10:35 PM. I found a post by someone I respect yet I've never worked with. It is Steven of Rack911. He posted this interesting thread.

There is a host, support has been no existent for some time now, I dont know if the owners are on vacation or what they havent even checked my email to them for other things, there is a webhost on their forums scouting clients from them, and saying how good of a host they are yada yada yada, sounds like of low to me.

In the end Polurnet was recruiting customers via Nullnics forums. If you read the thread you'll see a lot of well known names in there. Nullnics site has since gone down.
http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=450124&highlight=PolurNet





Then I seen http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=454019&highlight=PolurNet

I recently saw a hosting company that posted job openings for tech & sales support, and the pay worked out to be approximately 25 to 50 cents an hour depending on the hours worked, and only payable with PayPal. I guess they are targeting kids with free time on their hands, but it seems wrong to me. It also made me wonder about a couple things.

Does minimum wage apply in situations where a company hires random people from an online forum, with no formal interview, screening or records?

Is there any governing body or agency that tracks such activities?

Since the employees will most probably be kids, how does that play into normal rules and regulations?

Imagine the quality of support you could expect from an employee making so little money.

In this post
http://www.namepros.com/for-sale-ad...-hiring-tech-support-sales-reps-polurnet.html
you see PolurNet hiring people with wages of $15-$35 a month and you must work at least 90 hours a month!

- Work at least 3.5 to 5 hours per day (weekends included on Live chat during any of the following time blocks (set to 5 hr periods):

- Work at least 3.5 to 5 hours per day (weekends included on Live chat during any of the following time blocks (set to 5 hr periods):

SALARY

Around $15-25 USD/month via PayPal with bonuses for each time block.

NOTE #1: Payment will start at basic rate, and increase as progress improves. DO NOT COMMENT AT ANY TIME ABOUT PAYMENT. ANY COMMENTS WILL IMMEDIATELY CANCEL YOUR POSITION AND/OR YOU WILL BE REPORTED FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE THREAD RULES STATED ABOVE.

Dec 26, 2006: One of the first attacks on us was from Polurnets Anand directly. He responded to one of the threads we created on Namepros in the offers section. He apologized and I thought nothing of it, simple mistake (we all make em). He helped me have the reply removed from NamePros by contacting Mark (one of the mods). We started talking and our discussion moved on to talking about Anand leaving the hosting industry.

[00:32] John | Chronichosting.com: we've actually upped our marketing budget a lot
[00:33] John | Chronichosting.com: And have plans on buying a couple companys out...you ever interested in selling?
[00:33] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: hehe
[00:33] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: might be
[00:33] John | Chronichosting.com: might be?
[00:33] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: trying to pursue a degree, so losing time
[00:33] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: to work with the sites
[00:34] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: we just bought another server though
[00:35] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: so we're expanding... but that brings in a lot of work of course
[00:35] John | Chronichosting.com: yeah
[00:35] John | Chronichosting.com: being in university & hosting is hard...
[00:35] John | Chronichosting.com: i bet your hosting is affecting your grades?

Our conversation moved on to employee pay

[00:37] John | Chronichosting.com: ever considing upping your employees pay rate?
[00:37] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: i can't by the hour yet, but i did increase the monthly substantially a while back
[00:38] John | Chronichosting.com: oh? not making enough to do it by the hour?
[00:38] John | Chronichosting.com: how much ya making?
[00:38] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: well if i pay by the hour, i gotta cut the people working by half
[00:38] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: and most of them are not full time anyway
[00:38] John | Chronichosting.com: so you pay by month?
[00:38] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: it's also their "side" thing
[00:39] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: right, but equivalent by the hour is about $3/hr

And servers

[00:41] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: they're around $300/mth each
[00:41] John | Chronichosting.com: how many ya got?
[00:41] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: well actually i think it does, now you mention it, they had a setup option w/ it
[00:41] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: 10 servers, we're selling off 5 of them from NAC

And it basically ended when we discussed his new Dual Xeon servers from layertech.





Then on 01-02-2006, iNod attacks a sales thread on Namepros followed by a couple replies.

I then made the connection of Dub/iNod as Dub made a similar post on WHT at the same time. And considering their AIM addresses were the same...
http://webhostingtalk.com/member.php?u=124076
http://www.namepros.com/member.php?userid=11375

iNod/Dub/Steven used to own erudnet. And erudnet was pointing to Polurnet.

The same night I MSNed Polurnet asking if erudnet worked for him, I wasn't happy that this happened twice on Namepros (as you can see from my messages)

[22:55] John | Chronichosting.com: Does iNod work for you?
[22:55] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: i dunno, as far as I know, he's just a fellow canadian
[22:56] John | Chronichosting.com: You don't know your employees?
[22:56] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: i don't know their forum usernames
[22:56] John | Chronichosting.com: ahh
[22:56] John | Chronichosting.com: k
[22:56] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: not all of them
[22:56] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: i know sohil's and he's never posting on np so lol
[22:56] John | Chronichosting.com: aye

I've since found out that iNod/Dub does or did work for Polurnet. Anand admits to this on freewebspace
http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?t=83257


On Jan 6th, Polurnet messaged the mods at Namepros stating that RJ previously warned me about something. A month later it was revealed that RJ did not in fact send the warning.

To: <REMOVED FOR PROTECTION>
To: jmweb
CC: PolurNet

I don't believe I've ever made a statement about hosts making claims of being #1 at NamePros. If I'm mistaken, please forward me the message where I did.

We do *not* have an official hosting provider or one endorsed by myself or NamePros. Honestly I have no idea who has more clients from NamePros or has better customer satisfaction. It doesn't concern me. If its really a point of argument, perhaps hiring an independent auditor together would settle it.

My request is that ALL hosts, particularly PolurNet and ChronicHosting, avoid each other and stop making inciting claims about one another on the public forum. This includes employees or affiliates of your respective companies. I've chatted with everyone in private before, but I'm repeating myself here so everyone can be on the same page.

Thank you,

Ron

I was ensured Anand will be dealt with.



cont...

 

[jmweb]

Recently Anand has accused us of posting false reviews. I've honestly given up on this guy so I did not further investigate this. He later went on to say that it was hear say and Anand heard it from someone else.


Now in this thread (The one your looking at) heres some reviews polurnet mentions

webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=463879
iwebtool.com/talk/t8-polurnet-a.html
dnforum.com/f60/4-months-1-webhostingjury-trusted-dnf-polurnet-communications-specials-thread-132017.html
forosdelweb.com/showthread.php?t=362092
forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=395062&highlight=polurnet#post395062
forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=494775&highlight=polurnet#post494775
phplinkdirectory.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1809&highlight=polurnet
uniquewebmaster.com/showthread.php?tid=7&pid=1005#pid1005
http://namepros.com/showpost.php?p=1001909&postcount=1
http://namepros.com/showpost.php?p=1002111&postcount=2
http://namepros.com/showpost.php?p=1002565&postcount=22
http://namepros.com/showthread.php?t=153676
http://namepros.com/showthread.php?t=147872
http://namepros.com/showthread.php?t=112269
http://namepros.com/showthread.php?t=121522
http://namepros.com/showthread.php?t=112875
http://www.hostingdiscussion.com/we...t-com-excellent-reliable-hosting-company.html
http://www.freespacechat.com/t214-polurnet-hosting.html
http://webhostingtalk.com/showpost.php?p=3508054&postcount=1

+ 28 more at
http://www.webhostingjury.com/reviews/PolurNET_Webhosting


Thats a combined total of 40 reviews. And I only spent a couple seconds looking.

40 reviews for a company that claims to have 200 clients. He said not too long ago that he had 200 clients on MSN however the exact quotes were lost when I fornatted my laptop (I have a desktop and a laptop I use).


Something else I find interesting is PolurNets "Parent" company CIAN Tech. http://www.ciantech.com/
I went searching for registration information on Polurnet and CIAN tech but couldn't find a thing. On Polurnet they claim to be based out of Montreal, Canada but I couldn't find a thing online about them. I also recall reading that CIAN Tech was based out of New Jersey or someplace in the US but I couldn't find any info on that either.

 

[jmweb]

And lastly, the "newsletter" that was or wasn't sent out.

----- Original Message -----
From: "PolurNET Communications Administration" <info@polurnet.com>
To: <REMOVED FOR PROTECTION>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 3:39 PM
Subject: PolurNET Communications Needs Your Opinion! [Fixed]


> Dear REMOVED FOR PROTECTION,
>
> PolurNET Communications is proud having you as one of our valued
> customers. The following email contains news updates and a special
> request to our customers.
>
> I ) ONE WEEK LEFT FOR CHANGE OF NAMESERVERS!
>
> For those of you who signed up BEFORE September 25, 2005, you may have
> received a notice informing you of the nameserver change and
> consolidation process. We presented a list of the new server names and
> their associated nameserver information to give you enough time to
> change your settings at your domain registrar. The proposed deadline,
> October 31, 2005 is nearly a week away, so please make sure you
> followed our instructions to change your nameservers as soon as
> possible.
>
> Just to remind our clients, the change ONLY affects those clients
> still using the "NSWEBHOST.COM" version of nameservers who must now
> use the newly updated "NSGLOBALHOST.NET" version. Both versions will
> continue to work, hence you will NOT experience any downtime or loss
> of data; the IP information associated with each nameserver is also
> staying the same.
>
> Therefore, to obtain more information on the change or to find which
> server you are located please check our official forums immediately
> (you must be registered first) at
> http://forums.polurnet.com/index.php?showtopic=61. If you do not know
> your current server name, please check your "Welcome Email" with your
> account information or email us at support@polurnet.com.
>
>
> II ) POLURNET NEEDS YOUR HELP! WIN GREAT PRIZES TOO!
>
> PolurNET Communications is committed in improving our overall level of
> service beyond what our customers expect. We need your opinions and
> ratings for us to use as feedback for our company and future services.
> We are asking ALL clients to take a few minutes to complete this brief
> 19-question survey:
>
> http://www.polurnet.com/newsletter/survey/fillsurvey.php?sid=2
>
> As an incentive to filling out the survey AND posting your
> testimonial/review at
> http://www.webhostingjury.com/submitreview.php?id=305, we are offering
> the following prizes to be randomly awarded in the coming weeks:
>
> ================
> --> 1st Prize: WIN ONE FREE MONTH OF HOSTING! (approx value: $10-$25)
>
> --> Runner-up: WIN A FREE DOMAIN REGiSTRATION OF YOUR CHOICE
> (.com/.net/.org/.biz/.info/.name/.us) OR CASH VALUE (approx value: $8)
>
> Rules: Fill out survey and complete review/testimonial at
> webhostingjury.com. One prize randomly selected and announced in
> mid-November 2005. No purchase necessary. For full regulations,
> contact our administration at info@polurnet.com
> ================
>
> III ) NEWSLETTER : DID YOU RECEIVE IT?
>
> If you are a new or existing customer and did not get a chance to see
> our Bi-Monthly Newsletter, please see the HTML version at
> http://www.polurnet.com/newsletter/issues/oct2005 or TEXT version at
> http://www.polurnet.com/newsletter/issues/oct2005/text_version.txt (be
> sure to select "wrap" text on your browser for best viewing results).
> You should read the newsletter for important information or changes
> regarding our service offerings as well as special exclusive offers
> not available elsewhere.
>
> If you would like to make sure that you are receiving our emails,
> please send us a ticket at sales@polurnet.com asking for us to verify
> your email address and send you a test message. Be sure to check any
> spam filters you may have set to exclude the domain "polurnet.com".
>
> ------------------
>
> Thanks for reading this announcement. For further news & updates be
> sure to check our forums, http://forums.polurnet.com/ often!
>
> On behalf of all the staff and administration, we wish each and
> everyone of you much success on your sites and of course a Happy
> Halloween!
>
> Best Regards,
>
> PolurNET Communications Administration
> ==Avoid the Freeze, Enjoy the Breeze!==
>
>
>

 

[jmweb]

On the 26th of January this thread http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=481272&highlight=PolurNet
started. After anon-e-mouse said

Under instruction maybe?

I replied saying that we received reports of the chance to win incentives for reviews. This was on the 4th. Once I popped on MSN later during the day Anand messaged me. He wanted "Peace" between us yet I only mentioned his company in a negative way a couple times (the suggestion to fix the links was considered negative as well as me mentioning the newsletter incentive). This was the first time I ever mentioned publically about the newsletter and now Anand wanted to make a deal.

Again, all I want here is to come to terms and clarify, I don't want to pick any fights or anything.

He really wanted a deal

[12:46] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: c'mon you're canadian too. Let's put this to rest, and stop bashing

I thought great, these guys will finally leave us alone. Polurnet then agreed to publically apologize. And he did. At first I thought he was playing games, but then he did.

http://www.namepros.com/web-hosting-discussion/164442-chronichosting-and-polurnet-incidents.html
http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=481272&page=2 (last post on page)

Just wanted to clarify that we apologize to John (jmweb) of ChronicHosting and wish to put any incidents that happened between us back in history. We hope to build a better relationship with them in the future, and wish them the best of success

We're certain this is a positive step in the right direction. The NP Staff were concerned about host-on-host fights, so hopefully these will be no longer be an issue with any webhosting company on Namepros, to build a stronger and friendlier community like no other forum has seen before

I do respect you and your company, but want to make it clear we don't support any sort of incentives for reviews, which are solely from clients who wish to post themselves. I hope there's nothing personal between us anymore, and wish you all the best. Hope you'll accept this.

He agreed to apologize on WHT, Namepros and iwebtool. The 3 spots where him and his staff attacked us. He never did apologize on iwebtool but I thought nothing of it.

I thought great, now I hope to heck he keeps his side of the bargain. Worst comes to worst we'll be back where I started. We did talk a bit today and yes I was still pissed but I told him give me some time as his attacks lost a lot of potential clients.

Then the 5th comes

[13:55] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: You seem to think we're sending incentives, despite the fact that customers said we don't do so in any way. RJ was a customer from the start, and he received the newsletter shown here, our first version: (Link:
http://www.polurnet.com/newsletter/issues/oct2005/)http://www.polurnet.com/newsletter/issues/oct2005/
[13:55] John | Chronichosting.com: Look Anand.
[13:56] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: thus, the newsletter you quoted from was some sort of non-published version or otherwise
[13:56] John | Chronichosting.com: unpublished?
[13:56] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: Exactly, none of the orignal customers received it
[13:56] John | Chronichosting.com: yet some of your clients received it.
[13:56] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: How did you get it in the first place?
[13:56] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: I asked the original clients about it, since it was in oct 2005

[14:11] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: Again, amazing how no one left yet they came to you
[14:11] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: Somehow they did, eh? Hmm
[14:11] John | Chronichosting.com: When will you quit your lying?
[14:11] John | Chronichosting.com: Look
[14:11] John | Chronichosting.com: this conversation is over.
[14:11] John | Chronichosting.com: The moment you stop lying, feel free to
contact me.
[14:12] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: Lying about what? When did people leave in the first place?
[14:12] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: Give me a date
[14:12] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: As far as I know, and I keep track of this on ModernBill, no one left to CH
[14:12] John | Chronichosting.com: ahhh so now, people have left, yet they never left to us.
[14:13] John | Chronichosting.com: Good day Anand.
[14:13] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: They left for cheaper prices, sure
[14:13] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: one left becuase he couldn't pay and wanted free hosting
[14:13] John | Chronichosting.com: ahhh
[14:13] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: Sure, what does that have to do with CH?
[14:14] John | Chronichosting.com: Bye Anand.
[14:14] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: ?
[14:14] John | Chronichosting.com: I don't want to waste anymore of my time if your going to keep lying.
[14:15] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: Look, what lying is going on here. Tell me some more information, I'm working with what I can here
[14:15] John | Chronichosting.com: Well
[14:15] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: Why do you think I apologized yesterday? To make things frank

[14:36] John | Chronichosting.com: Good bye Anand.
[14:36] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: planned? I said by the
individual John
[14:36] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: I can admit perhaps there was
someone on staff I fired at that time who planned something like this
[14:36] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: THEY planned
[14:36] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: did we? NO!
[14:37] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: did they have access to our files? YES
[14:37] John | Chronichosting.com: Planned yet your customers received a
newsletter with the incentive in it?

In the end I calmed down a bit and said he needed to work on his Public Relations and if he'd do the right things I'd try and help him out.


Now I also thought I had more but I don't as my laptop was formatted recently thus I lost all log files.

 

[jmweb]

Now obviously some of this is out or order however at the same time I've honestly spent more time on this then I wanted too. Heck I didn't even want to get invovled with this thread but I did to clear my name. More is available, if I post it is a different story.


Anand has told me multiple things that I'd consider private along the way. For instance his total revenue, 5-10 of his clients (not via reviews). among other things. I am not going to get into it.

Polurnet has made comments about us before stating:

has his own problems with fake reviews and domains pointing to enom parking pages (and they were never hosted with him in the first place according to whois history).

I will state that Polurnet has based his comments off our domain registrations. When we register a domain for a client we put OUR contact information in and not the clients. Therefore Polurnet feels we are registering domains and making up customer comments. I can ensure you this is not happening. However he is right about the domain pointing to enom. We had a domain name expire on us and it ended up being pointed to enoms parking page. Sad thing is Anand doesn't realize we have anonymous name servers, nor does he know all our dns servers.

MisDub: I am sorry you work for Polurnet but I wish you the best.


I am done and I want nothing to do with Polurnet and I wish Polurnet would stop all this crap. I am done with it.

John

 

[Senad]

One more peice of evidence in regards to PolurNet attempting to make the blame placed on ChronicHosting and trying to make it look as though they were never hosting on NAC:

b) jmweb's evidence is basically an alleged newsletter we sent, which he got from crazytech while he was with us. The newsletter I've researched myself, and the headers come from an IP sent from NAC datacenterm, which is the DC ChronicHosting uses. We are at Savvis/LayeredTech, so already it makes it look suspicious.

I then proceeded to tell them:

Originally Posted by Senad
1) I have evidence that you were hosted in NAC during this time. Your move to LT was only recent. I have full screenshots to back this up.

Only to get the answer of their initial response changed to:

Oh, I'm not saying we weren't at NAC at all. We were for quite some time. However, the IP range doesn't fit the IP we used at NAC

Proof on their forums in regards to the move can be found at:
http://forums.polurnet.com/index.php?showtopic=141
I do have a screenshot of this.

Tentative Schedule of Server Migrations from NAC to Savvis (Bionic):

Notice that he has done his side step shuffle during our discussions here as well which clearly show that he doesn't like to tell the full truth and alters it for his means when he sees fit. This is just to prove that he has a history of doing this.

I think it is crucial that you see a continuing pattern of behavior in which PolurNet side-steps the issue and alters it for their own needs as shown above.