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VPS Issues

primalhost said:
If your going to be offering cpanel and are a startup webhost and looking to provide a good service at a low cost to yourself then you could get a vps because the cpanel licence for a vps is cheaper than the cost of a dedicated licence.
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depends on which provider you use as some will offer cpanel for a dedicated servicer for not much more than a VPS.

cPanel for a VPS is from $15 to $30 a month
cPanel for a Dedicated is from $25 to $50 a month
 
storminternet said:
Right. Because some part of the memory requires to run daemons as well as control panel. For stable performance at least 1 GB RAM is required
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I have to disagree, with a optimized system I have personally setup and monitored VPS's with only 512mb of ram (768 burstable) running cpanel/whm being very stable while hosting a few low - medium traffic websites.
 
Conner thanks again. This information is valuable. I remember when I got my first VPS they only had 256MB of RAM with it and the server crashed constantly. They finally woke up and put 512MB on it and didn't have a problem after that. But I have to restart it more often than I care to because it seems that after only a few weeks there isn't much RAM left and a restart becomes necessary. I think I have about 12 domains on that server so I can see how going to 1GB would be necessary once you get a good number of sites on it.

These new servers as any computer now uses a lot more memory than what my Redhat 6.2 machine did a few years back. That machine with 512MB of RAM on it was a powerhouse 10 years ago. I've had half a mind to revive it and put a new power supply in it just to play around with it again. I think even today it would still be fast although not reliable because of the age of the hardware.

handsonhosting said:
If you're going with cPanel and in the $45/month range, you're in the right market for managed VPS hosting. Much cheaper than that and you have a pretty high risk of dealing with a company that is understaffed for the amount of tickets that they get.

There's definitely some providers out there in the $30/month range with decent disk space and bandwidth, but run a check with them on how many accounts they place on each node and how large the server is that you're going to be on. This will play into a factor of how much CPU power you get to utilize, and the same with memory. 512MB memory is a MINIMUM that I'd put any account on that's running cPanel. Ideally, 1GB+

cPanel will not work efficiently on a server with 256MB of memory (it MAY work, but you're asking for problems, especially after you put an account on there). If you can only get a small amount of memory, stick with DirectAdmin or LxAdmin.

Myself, I use VPS machines for some of our testing accounts or mini-accounts I'm setting up for clients and I won't even touch a VPS unless it has near 1GB memory (and more, depending on the scripts being used on the site).

More and more these days, PHP programs are requiring lots of memory to operate. Wordpress says it requires 32MB, but the reality is, once you add in plugins etc, it can often take up 128MB per processing instance. If you only have 256MB on the machine, you can really hinder basic performance, let alone once the site starts getting traffic (simultaneous visitors would slow down the machine, and enough of them would crash it).
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webling said:
Conner thanks again. This information is valuable. I remember when I got my first VPS they only had 256MB of RAM with it and the server crashed constantly. They finally woke up and put 512MB on it and didn't have a problem after that. But I have to restart it more often than I care to because it seems that after only a few weeks there isn't much RAM left and a restart becomes necessary. I think I have about 12 domains on that server so I can see how going to 1GB would be necessary once you get a good number of sites on it.

These new servers as any computer now uses a lot more memory than what my Redhat 6.2 machine did a few years back. That machine with 512MB of RAM on it was a powerhouse 10 years ago. I've had half a mind to revive it and put a new power supply in it just to play around with it again. I think even today it would still be fast although not reliable because of the age of the hardware.
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in reality terms to run a VPS with sites you need at least 1GB with a 2GB Burst.

a 128mb and 512mb are OK if you just plan to run them for testing purposes or as a DNS server.
 
easyhostmedia said:
in reality terms to run a VPS with sites you need at least 1GB with a 2GB Burst.

a 128mb and 512mb are OK if you just plan to run them for testing purposes or as a DNS server.
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There is no such rule. We have many customers running VPS with 512MB RAM without trouble. They can be used for multi purposes such as small sites, but wanted to run separately, not on shared hosting, or email servers. At the end, it depends on how you optimize it and what you are going to use, but it's definitely not only for testing or DNS.
 
easyhostmedia said:
true, but cPanel, DirectAdmin etc. advise a server of at least 1GB although these will run on a 512MB server
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Sorry, but you are still incorrect in some parts. DirectAdmin can run on 128MB RAM VPS without trouble with small site, or email. In fact, we have many customers running their dedicated email service on 512MB RAM VPS, with server load is less than 1.

It's long time that I run cPanel, but I believe cPanel has Optimized version that can run on 512MB RAM VPS. However, I do agree that with cPanel, you should have more RAM. It's a mess!
 
gate2vn said:
Sorry, but you are still incorrect in some parts. DirectAdmin can run on 128MB RAM VPS without trouble with small site, or email. In fact, we have many customers running their dedicated email service on 512MB RAM VPS, with server load is less than 1.

It's long time that I run cPanel, but I believe cPanel has Optimized version that can run on 512MB RAM VPS. However, I do agree that with cPanel, you should have more RAM. It's a mess!
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DirectAdmin and cPanel can both run on a 512MB server, but both DA and cpanel advise/recommend a server of 1GB or above

http://www.directadmin.com/install.html

Hardware:
We highly recommend a processor of at least 500mhz even though DirectAdmin will run on slower systems. A minimum 1 Gigabyte of memory is required (2+ Gig is preferred), with at least 2 gig of swap memory. A hard drive with at least 2 gigabytes of free space (after the Linux install) is also required. If you are expecting high traffic levels then you will need more memory, processor power, and hard drive space than we recommend here. Intel and AMD should work fine. Solaris/Sparc will not.
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http://cpanel.net/cpanel-whm/system-requirements/

Hardware Requirements
Processor 266 MHz processor
Memory 512 MB RAM (1 GB recommended when hosting many accounts)
Disk Space 10GB hard disk
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in live chat cPanel will always recommend 1GB or above
 
Well... not defend, but it's just showing your lack of REAL experience with DirectAdmin. That's applying to a system when hosting for multiple accounts with high traffic. With purpose such as email server, I can tell you a fact that our customers sent out 10K+ messages per day without any trouble in a 512MB RAM VPS with DirectAdmin, again with the load is well under 1. In your quote, cPanel is running on 512MB RAM too, 1GB is applying when hosting many accounts.

I am not sure what kind of hosting control panel you have been using in your 11 years of hosting experience (do I remember correctly? 🙂 ), I don't blame you, but please do not suggest your customers just based on some text. They are wasting money with that kind of suggestion. If you really want to work with and help customers, test your products first and give them suggestions based on real circumstances.

At the end, I just want to re-emphasize that 512MB RAM VPS can do much more than testing purpose or DNS server, if you know how to manage it.
 
gate2vn said:
Well... not defend, but it's just showing your lack of REAL experience with DirectAdmin. That's applying to a system when hosting for multiple accounts with high traffic. With purpose such as email server, I can tell you a fact that our customers sent out 10K+ messages per day without any trouble in a 512MB RAM VPS with DirectAdmin, again with the load is well under 1. In your quote, cPanel is running on 512MB RAM too, 1GB is applying when hosting many accounts.

I am not sure what kind of hosting control panel you have been using in your 11 years of hosting experience (do I remember correctly? 🙂 ), I don't blame you, but please do not suggest your customers just based on some text. They are wasting money with that kind of suggestion. If you really want to work with and help customers, test your products first and give them suggestions based on real circumstances.

At the end, I just want to re-emphasize that 512MB RAM VPS can do much more than testing purpose or DNS server, if you know how to manage it.
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I must remember to inform DA and CP that you know better than them, we can only go off what the software houses say so that yoiu get the best out of their software. we have tried selling DA but could not get interest in this so we stick with CP, but i have used DA extensively
 
Its always necessary to provide good support.... It usually takes 6 hours to setup a fully functional VPS for someone......With everything configured in it and ready to go..... I think it should not take much time than that......
 
Amit_Tutishost said:
It usually takes 6 hours to setup a fully functional VPS for someone......With everything configured in it and ready to go..... I think it should not take much time than that......
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It depends on control panels if you have to install any.

Cpanel can take 6+ hours to install and then you need to configure it.
Direct Admin can take the same to install, but a further 72+ hours for the DA staff to wake up and assign a licence to your IP as they still dont have an automated licence system
 
If instead of using their resources to find the resource and asking you to provide more details to make you go away is how your current host responds to you, then I would yeah, I would switch hosting providers. Make sure you're not afraid to contact a host before you make the decision to purchase hosting, and when they're talking to you they should adequately be able to listen to your needs and provide you with an appropriate-not inflated- billing plan.
 
to run cPanel finer you absolutely wish min. 1GB Ram, but adage that. you say you accept several VPS with the aforementioned provider.

even if the provider is top notch, i can recomment big scoots it is still best to advance your servers with several providers rather than accepting all your eggs in one basket.
 
webling said:
I'm about to lose my patience with my upstream provider. I ordered another VPS last night, they set it up this morning and messed the password up and I can't login. So I submit a support ticket and they ask, which server is it? (DUH) After I already made that obvious to them. *sigh So I replied and typed it in simple terms so dummies can comprehend it. It's been all day and they still haven't got this fixed. Does anyone know of a reliable host that provides reasonably priced VPS plans to someone who had paid their account on time every month for the past 10 years?
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With what happen , it is just sad that they cannot fix a password problem. Customer support reliability is really a great factor in keeping customer's trust. :sad:
 
With that price range, I believe you are looking for an unmanaged VPS? Do you start for other cpanel, such as DirectAdmin? Or just cPanel? Any recommended location?
 
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