Web Hosts offering unlimited domains

[Collabora]

It looks like some people are taking the word "unlimited" too literally. Of course disk space or bandwidth can never be unlimited and same goes with domains, databases etc. Marketers and companies often use unlimited when they want to tell the customers they don't have to worry about their disk space or bandwidth usage.

Unlimited resources often come with certain limitations and fair usage policies to ensure no one is using too much server capacity and to keep it "unlimited" for everyone else on the same server.

Yep. What many don't realize, and some web hosts (sadly) are unable to grasp, is that "unlimited" refers to the "hosting resources" that are found in the "hosting plan," which are traditionally limited by QUOTAs. The hosting resource becomes unlimited when that traditional quota is removed.

And it cannot be over-stressed that those fair usage policies are the same ones limited hosts use.

 

[whrss]

Hm, this is a debate which might never end.

Let's say you know 2 Pizza huts (equally good) one says "unlimited pizzas" and other says "5 pizzas", where will you go?

No one can eat 5 big pizzas at a time, but still you will end up in the first shop? Why? We are so used to "unlimited" "free" "discounts". So if someone ever started the word "unlimited" in hosting industry, I don't find any issue with that.

However, this is really bad if the webhost has not clearly mentioned, how 'un'limited it is really. If there is a mentioning of these in AUP or TOS, that will be a fair marketing.

 

[EasyAsPie]

Agreed. If a web host offers unlimited hosting it's OK as long as the limits are mentioned in fair usage policy or other terms of service clearly enough. If a website is hosted with normal content (no file sharing or other resource demanding usage) it should never have problems with those rules.

A website should never be taken down just because it gets popular and thus uses more resources than before. This may of course vary between hosts but I would never do that as long as the content is acceptable.

So even on unlimited hosting there are some limits but website owners who have normal content on their websites should not worry too much about those, such as forum, blog or shopping websites. File, image, video and other sharing networks should not be hosted on unlimited hosting because most likely they are not allowed.

 

[ughosting]

Unlimited Domains can be achieved easily.

Unlimited Bandwidth or Unlimited Diskspace, that's impossible to achieve.

Obviously the user is still limited to how much CPU they can consume, as otherwise the services would slow down too much.

This can be achieved by using something like cloud linux, which slows down the sites (take that as users) that take too much CPU, Memory or Database time.

 

[Collabora]

Unlimited Domains can be achieved easily.

Unlimited Diskspace, that's impossible to achieve.

If its true, as you say, that unlimited diskspace is impossible to achieve, then so is unlimited domains (or sites) since that requires unlimited diskspace. Hence your post is self-contradictory.

The fact of the matter is umlimited diskpace is just as easy to achieve as unlimited domains

 

[easyhostmedia]

If its true, as you say, that unlimited diskspace is impossible to achieve, then so is unlimited domains (or sites) since that requires unlimited diskspace. Hence your post is self-contradictory.

The fact of the matter is umlimited diskpace is just as easy to achieve as unlimited domains

read what he stated

Unlimited Domains can be achieved easily.

he never mentions sites. you could go to any registrar and purchase an unlimited amount of domains without hosting these domains.

 

[Collabora]

read what he stated



he never mentions sites. you could go to any registrar and purchase an unlimited amount of domains without hosting these domains.

I put "sites" in parentheses. Maybe you should read it

"so is unlimited domains (or sites)"

He is not a registrar and therefore not selling domains. He is allowing unlimited domains in a hosting plan which usually means unlimited sites. If they are just pointers, maybe that should be indicated. But even pointers take up diskspace, inodes and database space just by being configured. Thus even unlimited pointers require unlimited diskspace -- not to mention the limit imposed by the file system (using the logic of the anti-unlimited crowd)

Besides, there is a physiclal/grammatical limit to the number of domain names possible -- and hence still impossible, e3ven for a registrar (using the logic of the anti-unlimited crowd).

Please try to refrain from the usual context-switching and scenario changing examples and analogies

 

[Alex - A2 Hosting]

Unlimited Domains can be achieved easily.

Unlimited Bandwidth or Unlimited Diskspace, that's impossible to achieve.

Obviously the user is still limited to how much CPU they can consume, as otherwise the services would slow down too much.

This can be achieved by using something like cloud linux, which slows down the sites (take that as users) that take too much CPU, Memory or Database time.

Put 1 million domains on a single server an see what happens .

Unlimited domains, disk space and bandwidth is all the same with the "overselling" but NOT "overloading" wagon. It is all about the average website and how much it uses. An average user hosts at maximum a few websites on a single hosting package, the average website is just a few hundred megabytes etc...

read what he stated

he never mentions sites. you could go to any registrar and purchase an unlimited amount of domains without hosting these domains.

This thread is about offering unlimited domains in a single hosting package so I'd assume he meant unlimited domains is easy to achieve, hosting them not just registering them.

 

[ughosting]

Lets clear this up.

As a shared user, you would not be limited by the number of domains, but by the disk space and bandwidth that you have purchased.

Unlimited Domains means "has no limit placed on the number of domains", obviously you would run of of space at some point, and that would be the limiting factor.

 

[Collabora]

Lets clear this up.

As a shared user, you would not be limited by the number of domains, but by the disk space and bandwidth that you have purchased.

Unlimited Domains means "has no limit placed on the number of domains", obviously you would run of of space at some point, and that would be the limiting factor.

But isn't that an example of the so-called "infinite hard drive" problem that the critics of unlimited hosting cry about?

But seriously, what I understand you as saying is because the "number" of domains is not limited by the host (as a person) we can call it unlimited but realize that its a given that the hardware does impose its own limit beyond that which the host may impose.

BTW, that "number" above that you speak of is referred to as a "quota" in the computer/hosting world.

You have also claimed

Unlimited Diskspace, that's impossible to achieve

One thing unlimited disk space and unlimited domains have in common --as they are found in hosting plans -- is that both of these hosting resources are limited by quotas imposed by the provider, not the hardware. If the provider does not impose a limit on disk space quota ("number" of GB) , then that resource is unlimited. And of course it is also ultimately limited by the hardware as you rightly noted for domains.

So now you can see that unlimited disk space (as found in a hosting plan)is as easily as achievable as unlimited domains (as found in a hosting plan). In both case, just remove the artificial quota imposed by provider. No Provider Limit = Unlimited

 

[ughosting]

But if your hosting is cPanel or DirectAdmn, "Unlimited" is what they call it, and therefore by extension how customers understand it.

We are not saying "infinite", and with that I agree with you. Unlimited domains would take unlimited harddrive space and unlimited memory and unlimited CPU.

I think you should take your argument up with cPanel and DirectAdmin, as while they call it "Unlimited" all the hosts using their panels will call it unlimited.

So taking their definition of Unlimited (not yours), hosts can offer it.

 

[Collabora]

But isn't that an example of the so-called "infinite hard drive" problem that the critics of unlimited hosting cry about?

But seriously, what I understand you as saying is because the "number" of domains is not limited by the host (as a person) we can call it unlimited but realize that its a given that the hardware does impose its own limit beyond that which the host may impose.

BTW, that "number" above that you speak of is referred to as a "quota" in the computer/hosting world.

You have also claimed



One thing unlimited disk space and unlimited domains have in common --as they are found in hosting plans -- is that both of these hosting resources are limited by quotas imposed by the provider, not the hardware. If the provider does not impose a limit on disk space quota ("number" of GB) , then that resource is unlimited. And of course it is also ultimately limited by the hardware as you rightly noted for domains.

So now you can see that unlimited disk space (as found in a hosting plan)is as easily as achievable as unlimited domains (as found in a hosting plan). In both case, just remove the artificial quota imposed by provider. No Provider Limit = Unlimited

But if your hosting is cPanel or DirectAdmn, "Unlimited" is what they call it, and therefore by extension how customers understand it.

We are not saying "infinite", and with that I agree with you. Unlimited domains would take unlimited harddrive space and unlimited memory and unlimited CPU.

I think you should take your argument up with cPanel and DirectAdmin, as while they call it "Unlimited" all the hosts using their panels will call it unlimited.

So taking their definition of Unlimited (not yours), hosts can offer it.

I don't use cpanel. The concepts I describe, at least disk space quota, occur at the OS level and no control panel is need to host unlimited. Quota is an OS configuration. (There is no such thing as quota of hosted sites at os level that I am aware of)

All the control panel does is run scripts that you would otherwise manually run step-by-step at the command prompt. In Linux, to allocate unlimited disk space quota to a user you set User's Quota = 0. In Windows you set User's Quota = No Limit. Control panel is irrelevant. Sadly there are too many hosts that don't know much about servers outside of a control panel.

 

[ughosting]

How do web hosts offer unlimited hosting for resellers on cpanel? Reason I ask is this basically allowed 1 or 2 resellers which are on the same server to overwhelm the server with 1000s of websites if they want to?

The original poster was talking about cPanel, so I believe it is you that is off topic!

 

[Collabora]

The original poster was talking about cPanel, so I believe it is you that is off topic!

I don't know if there is a post missing or you are referring to me. Sorry, but when you said Unlimited Domains is easily achieved but Unlimited Disk Space is impossible to achieve when setting quotas, I didn't realize you you referring to the specific settings in cPanel. I thought you were speaking in generalities.

If you were referring to cpanel in that other post, I'm surprised cpanel makes this impossible. I would assume provider can create this setting in Home >> Resellers >> Edit reseller nameservers & privileges, as the documentation suggests, but again I don't use cpanel.

 

[Lamb Host]

How do web hosts offer unlimited hosting for resellers on cpanel? Reason I ask is this basically allowed 1 or 2 resellers which are on the same server to overwhelm the server with 1000s of websites if they want to?

Is limiting resellers by accounts/domains not the best approach or is there a way to properly offer unlimited domains?

I don't see the problem offering unlimited domains, as long as the space and bandwidth limits are restricted. There are only so many domains you can fit into, say, 10 GB disk space.

Honestly, no matter how many domains, it's all files being served, databases being accessed, etc. To me, the most important is the disk space, bandwidth, and even RAM and CPU usage (if you are on CloudLinux).

Someone could have one domain that uses 20% of the CPU, or 20 domains that barely use 1% (such as a static site). Domains aren't the issue.

 

[hostmything]

How do web hosts offer unlimited hosting for resellers on cpanel?

"Nothing is Absolute, simply nothing"

 

[Collabora]

"Nothing is Absolute, simply nothing"

What about what you just said?

 

[Alex - A2 Hosting]

I don't see the problem offering unlimited domains, as long as the space and bandwidth limits are restricted. There are only so many domains you can fit into, say, 10 GB disk space.

Honestly, no matter how many domains, it's all files being served, databases being accessed, etc. To me, the most important is the disk space, bandwidth, and even RAM and CPU usage (if you are on CloudLinux).

Someone could have one domain that uses 20% of the CPU, or 20 domains that barely use 1% (such as a static site). Domains aren't the issue.

I somewhat agree & disagree. Essentially you could look at it like one person who has 20 sites and uses 20% of the CPU or more - it really comes down to the average user in this industry, the average user doesn't host so many domains under a single hosting package and the average website doesn't use so much disk space / bandwidth.

 

[easyhostmedia]

the average website doesn't use so much disk space / bandwidth.

I agree and disagree with you nowadays, mayby several years ago this was the case, but now with social media etc. more and more people are setting up resource heavy forums or using scripts like dolphin (multi functional social media sites) which when fully working takes up a large amount of resources, also for dolphin to run you need RMS (we have this on a separate server as this along takes memory 1.6GB of a 2GB machine.) but only 2.6 GB of 130 GB space

 

[ughosting]

All hosts put a limit somewhere.

Usually Space, Bandwidth and Domains.

But if you use CloudLinux,, you swap the "Domains limit" for a "Resource Limit"

There is just no limit on the domains themselves.