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sahostking

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How do web hosts offer unlimited hosting for resellers on cpanel? Reason I ask is this basically allowed 1 or 2 resellers which are on the same server to overwhelm the server with 1000s of websites if they want to?

Is limiting resellers by accounts/domains not the best approach or is there a way to properly offer unlimited domains?
 
Hey sahostking,

Assuming you're referring to Shared Webhosting correct? It can vary but a few of the web hosts I know that have utilized that offering have just had to watch the load on their servers. As one server begins getting closer to that point where they don't want to add additional clients, they can begin pushing them onto a new server.

I personally never liked the unlimited domains idea, or unlimited anything as a matter of fact. (Pure opinion, I know plenty disagree with that comment). I think fixed number of allowed domains is better, or have some valued Resellers who you know will be long term stable Resellers and give them the option for unlimited domains but just keep track of when they will need to start being added to a new server.
 
It's generally more "marketing" than anything else. If you're referring to "unlimited space" hosts or reseller hosts I'd advise you check their TOS. Most will have other limits in place to ensure that no one user abuses resources.
 
sahostking said:
How do web hosts offer unlimited hosting for resellers on cpanel? Reason I ask is this basically allowed 1 or 2 resellers which are on the same server to overwhelm the server with 1000s of websites if they want to?

Is limiting resellers by accounts/domains not the best approach or is there a way to properly offer unlimited domains?
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There is no such thing as unlimited domains. Unlimited domains require unlimited disk space. Even if you were given all the hard drive space you ever needed it would still be impossible because the OS itself has an inherent limit on the number of site that it can support. Give that, offering unlimited domains is a lie and a scam. A marketing gimmick at best.

But if you mean unlimited domains in terms of the artificial limit (a.k.a. quota) imposed by the provider, then you can have unlimited domains in that context.
 
Collabora said:
There is no such thing as unlimited domains. Unlimited domains require unlimited disk space. Even if you were given all the hard drive space you ever needed it would still be impossible because the OS itself has an inherent limit on the number of site that it can support. Give that, offering unlimited domains is a lie and a scam. A marketing gimmick at best.

But if you mean unlimited domains in terms of the artificial limit (a.k.a. quota) imposed by the provider, then you can have unlimited domains in that context.
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This is a loooong ongoing debat in our industry. I think it should be advertised as "unmetered" or "no hard limit" rather than "unlimited". There is, as many have pointed out of the years, no such thing as an unlimited hard drive. Even if you set this up in the "magical cloud" it still wouldn't make financial sense. That being said, 99% of users only use a small fraction of their allocated space regardless of how much is allocated. Users like to feel like they're getting the best deal for their money and thus the thriving "unlimited" market.
 
unmetered is a bigger scam. its meant to fool public, who has already been hoodwinked by the critics of unlimited hosting, that its something different
 
Collabora said:
unmetered is a bigger scam. its meant to fool public,
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WRONG

the public are fooled by 'unlimited' as they are lead to believe the will get unlimited disc space, which does not exist as if a disc drive has 500GB of disc space then that disc has a disc space limit of 500GB.

'unmetered' means we will give you disc space that we will not monitor/ hold you to, so if you need more just ask
 
easyhostmedia said:
WRONG

the public are fooled by 'unlimited' as they are lead to believe the will get unlimited disc space, which does not exist as if a disc drive has 500GB of disc space then that disc has a disc space limit of 500GB.

'unmetered' means we will give you disc space that we will not monitor/ hold you to, so if you need more just ask
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More lies from the anti-unlimited crowd
 
Offering unlimited disk space and bandwidth on shared packages is a whole different game when you do it on reseller packages as your clients will actually be selling these packages on wards to their own clients.

We offer unlimited bandwidth and disk space with shared but with our reseller packages we limit the bandwidth and disk space, as do the majority of the reputable unlimited providers out in the industry.
 
sahostking said:
How do web hosts offer unlimited hosting for resellers on cpanel? Reason I ask is this basically allowed 1 or 2 resellers which are on the same server to overwhelm the server with 1000s of websites if they want to?

Is limiting resellers by accounts/domains not the best approach or is there a way to properly offer unlimited domains?
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The best way is to limit your reseller to the number of accounts/customers they can have in a single Reseller Plan. Your server will support X number of sites no matter how they get there: through one of your unlimited (or limited) plans or a reseller's unlimited (or limited) plan.
 
easyhostmedia said:
so you can get more that 500GB of space from a drive that only has 500GB of space.

you cant have unlimited space if the disc only has a 500GB LIMIT
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Wasn't this already discussed in another thread? I seem to recall this exact same statement being made, as well as a reply from both myself and Collabora explaining the difference between 'unlimited' and the 500 GB hardware limitation you've provided.

In reply to the original question, a website hosting provider should not remove the quota limit with their reseller hosting packages, as doing so would require that the third-party (the reseller) must create the same exact terms regarding the hosts unlimited policies, policies which the reseller is unlikely to abide by, resulting in abuse of both the server resources, as well as a severely overloaded server with hundreds upon hundreds of 'unlimited' accounts being managed by providers with no prior experience within the hosting industry, as well as little to no knowledge on the management of server resources, and how to allocate properly based on average account size and general usage.

So, although I am fully behind hosting providers that offer unlimited space and bandwidth, as long as it applies towards the lack of general quotas, and not a true implication of infinite space or bandwidth, I am entirely against the potential offering of unlimited reseller hosting services, and any host that is offering such services is likely (almost certainly) overselling their services on a massive scale.

In theory, unlimited resellers could technically exist. It just isn't very practical, and would be nearly impossible to properly manage and maintain, assuming the source/host even cares about maintaining their own services to begin with.


In short, hosting providers that offer reseller hosting plans with unlimited space or bandwidth should not be seen as a reliable solution for any serious individuals or businesses entering into the website hosting industry for the first time. If you happen to find a provider that is offering such services, expect to experience very slow performance on their network, as well as hundreds of restrictions and limitations inside of their terms of service. Not to mention the near certainty of hosting on a server that is severely overloaded.
It just isn't a wise move.
 
easyhostmedia said:
you cant have unlimited space if the disc only has a 500GB LIMIT
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easyhostmedia said:
the public are fooled by 'unlimited' as they are lead to believe the will get unlimited disc space, which does not exist as if a disc drive has 500GB of disc space then that disc has a disc space limit of 500GB.
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But you offer unlimited sites, unlimited databases, and unlimited email (all of which require unlimited space) on 1 GB of space....Wait, my mistake: you offer it on 100 MB of space! And you come here and criticize hosts like myself that offer the same thing on "only" 500 GB of space?
 
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Generally people offer this just for marketing. When people see 'unlimited' they generally look at the deal straight away. Even though, it's not usually real and usually means overloaded servers.
 
I cannot agree that unlimited means ''overloaded servers''. There are many companies which provides unlimited domains, but when a single server reaches it quota, they stop to add domains there.
 
spenchev said:
I cannot agree that unlimited means ''overloaded servers''. There are many companies which provides unlimited domains, but when a single server reaches it quota, they stop to add domains there.
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Precisely. Servers get loaded from the number of sites on them, not the hosting plan that gets them there. I'd rather be on some sort of unlimited plan with a server holding 200 sites than a limited plan on a server with 500 sites.
 
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PremiumVM said:
Generally people offer this just for marketing. When people see 'unlimited' they generally look at the deal straight away. Even though, it's not usually real and usually means overloaded servers.
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Usually means overloaded servers? Not at all, the majority of the hosting providers with quote limitations also oversell their servers, its just common business practice. If you are not overselling unlimited or limited then you need to hit your business plan and re-think.

Overselling and overloading are totally different things.
 
Alex - Arvixe said:
Usually means overloaded servers? Not at all, the majority of the hosting providers with quote limitations also oversell their servers, its just common business practice. If you are not overselling unlimited or limited then you need to hit your business plan and re-think.

Overselling and overloading are totally different things.
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Yes, I know.

There is overselling where you just oversell a little bit, carefully. And there is overloading where you completely overload your servers so that they can't cope -- become slow, etc.
 
It looks like some people are taking the word "unlimited" too literally. Of course disk space or bandwidth can never be unlimited and same goes with domains, databases etc. Marketers and companies often use unlimited when they want to tell the customers they don't have to worry about their disk space or bandwidth usage.

Unlimited resources often come with certain limitations and fair usage policies to ensure no one is using too much server capacity and to keep it "unlimited" for everyone else on the same server.

So at least in my opinion, unlimited hosting is not always a scam or unethical. If the clients and server owners make sure their servers are used according to the rules, everyone should be able to enjoy their websites hosted without special limits set for disk space or bandwidth. Unmetered would be a better word for this to be exact but unlimited means roughly the same and it seems to be more popular as well.
 
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