To many kiddie hosts?

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BeZazz

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IMO there is to many "kiddie hosts" promising the world for next to nothing. All they do is give the hosting industry a bad name.

I think the whole master and alpha reseller accounts add the problems as you end up with a whole bunch of people selling something they don’t really have a clue about to another bunch of people that have no clue.


Anyhow that is my whine for the day lol
 
Someone who is roughly in the age range 12-16. With no real idea about hosting with a cheapo reseller account.
 
BeZazz said:
Someone who is roughly in the age range 12-16. With no real idea about hosting with a cheapo reseller account.
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I think that's the big one. I know lots of young people who are very experienced with servers, however if they are mature, know how to manage the finances and how to run the servers/reseller/business then It could be a good thing.
 
No one really knows about hosting until they've been doing it a while. Plus the people who don't know any better are probably not the clients you want anyway!
 
Kids of today that offer hosting so they can make some $$ for an XBOX, tomorrow owners of large datacenters that want $$$$$$ to buy yachts.
lol
 
BeZazz, this has been discussed again and again and again and again.

Perhaps you could provide some sort of data on the percentage of "kiddie" hosts who are ripping people off or just trying to make some money for an xbox with the number of 20+ year old hosts who are ripping people off and trying to make a quick buck for whatever reason.

Age has little relevance to the discussion of who is a reliable and honest host.
 
Any person who gets burned by a "kiddie host" is just another person willing to pay more for proper service.

Lessons are learned, losers go out of business, economy adapts and the free market triumphs.

Looks to me like everything is playing out how it should.
 
I think He means there're too many unreliable hosting who don't offer what they announced and offer bad customer support.
 
Blue said:
Age has little relevance to the discussion of who is a reliable and honest host.
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IMO it does for many reasons.

For AFAIK they can not even accept payments (legally) let alone have a credit card etc to make payments to providers.

They have school and probably a bed time.

Possibly don’t even actually own the computer they use to do everything on the Internet, let alone have control over the choice / use of ISP. So they can have their computer / Internet access taken off them.

There is many reasons why a teenager should not be taking peoples money for providing hosting.

Which of course does not mean that there isn’t plenty of older people that shouldn’t be doing it either just more reasons why kids shouldn’t.
 
ZDRuX said:
Any person who gets burned by a "kiddie host" is just another person willing to pay more for proper service.

Lessons are learned, losers go out of business, economy adapts and the free market triumphs.

Looks to me like everything is playing out how it should.
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While do agree with what you have said. I still think it helps to give the industry as whole a bad name.
 
I agree That it Gives the insudtry a bad name, A while back I had an issue with a kiddie host before I decided to become a provider.
 
And what would your proposal be to rid the Internet of kiddie hosts? And who would decide who stays and who goes? I have to say I've seen some 12 to 16 year old people who were mature beyond their years, moreso than some supposed adults. In the same vein, if I need to host mission critical data, I'll always opt for a stable host that has been around a few years and has a history of good customer support.
 
There's nothing wrong with Teenagers going into the Hosting Industry. I believe what SlickWebHost said is right
Kids of today that offer hosting so they can make some $$ for an XBOX, tomorrow owners of large datacenters that want $$$$$$ to buy yachts.
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They might be successful web hosting leaders in the future
 
I'd say that my understanding of a kiddie host has changed over the years. While years ago it was basically an under-aged kid who runs the hosting operation through a reseller account, usually during the summer when they are out of school, overselling and making quick sales, which allows him to raise some quick cash. But once complications appear, the kid escapes by shutting down the service because he does not have the knowledge of what to do.

My definition has evolved into something that has nothing to do with age anymore, but someone who launches an operation with the only objective to make money in the short term, and who doesn't plan, expect or even want to be running the business in the long term. The only objective is to make quick sales NOW, so you'd see these kind of shops appearing and dropping insane deals at rock bottom prices in hopes to get $10 here and $5 there... with the same sad ending.
 
Steve-Hostirian said:
And what would your proposal be to rid the Internet of kiddie hosts? And who would decide who stays and who goes? I have to say I've seen some 12 to 16 year old people who were mature beyond their years, moreso than some supposed adults. In the same vein, if I need to host mission critical data, I'll always opt for a stable host that has been around a few years and has a history of good customer support.
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I can agree with this. Business has to begin somewhere. We just happen to be part of an economy with low overhead, low startup, and low pre-requisite experience to get a business off the ground. Basically, if you have a credit card you can have a reseller business. But it's not the kiddies that are at fault for that. Even the hosts with decades of experience offer reseller services at a low cost no restriction rate that's perfect for newbies to get their business off the ground in one day's worth of work. Tack on a web template and a way to collect income and you've got yourself what looks like a great business for all.

In the same respect, the equivalent business methods that are supplied by the resellers are supplied by the kiddies taking advantage of the ease of market entry. There is a demand for super cheap, almost free, web hosting. That need is filled. Hence, economy. Anyone with a credit card can buy a template and cheap hosting and bam, you have what looks to be a legitimate web based company. The anonymity of the web plays the roll as the smoke and mirrors behind the reality of the businesses.

In all honesty, I think website owners expect everything for nothing and then never really use the everything that's given to them for nothing. Unlimited sounds awesome even though most websites only use a fraction of the resources offered to them (I know a fraction of unlimited cannot be measured :) ).

One note: Kiddies has nothing to do with age. Many people decide to start up small time hosting businesses at many different ages. I've seen plenty of small time hosting solutions that are bottom of the barrel in quality run by a pair of middle aged guys with some cheap datacenter space, cheap towers, linux experience, and a web of assorted colored cat5 cables webbing their cage. But as I said above - you'll find supply with demand.
 
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Blue said:
Age has little relevance to the discussion of who is a reliable and honest host.
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Whilst I'd agree that it's entirely possible to remain a complete numpty muppet throughout life, there does come a point that "people" take things a little more seriously
- that usually _starts_ to develop when they get to decide their own bedtime and dont need mummy to pick them up after double-maths anymore ;)

In most countries an under 18 cannot _legally_ enter into a contract with a client or supplier - so the majority of "kiddie" hosts are at a minimum breaking the law ...
 
The best tool to test one host's reliability is Money back guarantee. Even if it is for a month, you can easily have a perfect idea about their services. Bad hosts will surely experience down time in your first month.
 
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