Muslim Fury Over Danish Cartoons Spurs Riots Across The Globe

[ldcdc]

Who do you think got the power to make that people do what they're doing, in more than 18 Country ?

Excellent question! Because certainly someone does have that power. Religious leaders perhaps (since this is a religious issue)?

It takes some kind of organisation to start a demonstration. One doesn't just get out of the house to start marching.

 

[Blue]

It doesn't take a lot of power for this to happen.
Things like this are self perpetuating. If you remember last week the protests were isolated to Syria and Lebanon. That is what created all of the news. Other groups start to pick up on it and it spreads.

 

[Artashes]

We had an Islamic religious leader talk about this as well on a press conference in Montreal 2 days ago, which was broadcasted live on CTV Newsnet.

 

[Blue]

Don't keep us in suspense Art. What did he say?

 

[Artashes]

Don't keep us in suspense Art. What did he say?

I don't really know, I changed the channel almost immediately. But this article quotes some of the speakers:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...10/cartoons_update_060210/20060210?hub=Canada

Best,

 

[Senad]

Interesting Poll...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060212/wl_nm/religion_cartoons_dc

The Gallup survey in Denmark's Berlingske Tidende showed that 56 percent of the 1,003 Danes questioned last week understood that Muslims were offended by the cartoons, while 41 percent said they did not understand why Muslims were so angry.

Asked if it was wrong of Jyllands-Posten to publish the cartoons, 49 percent of respondents agreed, but 43 percent said the paper was right to print them.

 

[Blue]

Of course the numbers would have been drastically different if the poll were taken before the cartoons were published.

 

[eGawish]

But the cartoon wasn't published in any Muslim newspapers. It was published in Denmark. I am guessing it isn't the first cartoon of same nature, but its the Muslims alone who are taking it that way.
In Russia, we have many daily newspapers with cartoons in them as part of an editorial material. No one is going on a killing spree about them. They are just that cartoons.

so.., i dont get your point here.

Excellent question! Because certainly someone does have that power. Religious leaders perhaps (since this is a religious issue)?

It takes some kind of organisation to start a demonstration. One doesn't just get out of the house to start marching.

As i told you before, the situation doesnt need anybody to organise it, or to tell people do all those things, you dont know how these cartoons hurts a Muslim. and btw, have you ever heard in news about any "Muslim Riligous leaders" telling people to burn buildings down or do anything of that kind ? if what you say is true, we must have seen any news telling something even near to that. And as you've said "One doesn't just get out of the house to start marching" it must be a big organisation, or group of people organised that thing, so.. that proves my point, Please provide me with any link to news telling something about that.

 

[eGawish]

what do you guys think was the reason behind the newspaper apology published, was it true they felt they offended us - Muslims or they just "found themselves in the eye of the storm of protest, with Danish diplomatic missions set on fire and Danish goods boycotted in several Muslim countries."

 

[Blue]

so.., i dont get your point here.

The point was pretty obvious.
Most cultures have the intelligence and maturity to remain peaceful in the face of adversity.

As i told you before, the situation doesnt need anybody to organise it, or to tell people do all those things, you dont know how these cartoons hurts a Muslim. and btw, have you ever heard in news about any "Muslim Riligous leaders" telling people to burn buildings down or do anything of that kind ? if what you say is true, we must have seen any news telling something even near to that. And as you've said "One doesn't just get out of the house to start marching" it must be a big organisation, or group of people organised that thing, so.. that proves my point, Please provide me with any link to news telling something about that.

If this is not organized then the stereotype becomes reality. The belief that all Muslims are radicals and don't care about human life unless the person follows the strict rules of the koran is true. I really hope this is not the case.

what do you guys think was the reason behind the newspaper apology published, was it true they felt they offended us - Muslims or they just "found themselves in the eye of the storm of protest, with Danish diplomatic missions set on fire and Danish goods boycotted in several Muslim countries."

I would say with 100% certainty that they just backed down because they don't have the balls to stand up to a bunch of radical idiots who know nothing more than violence and try to impose their way of life on others.

 

[ldcdc]

If this is not organized then the stereotype becomes reality. The belief that all Muslims are radicals and don't care about human life unless the person follows the strict rules of the koran is true.

A really scary thought Michael.

 

[Artashes]

A really scary thought Michael.

A scary thought, but partly not without truth.
Under most Islamic regimes, the penalties for sometimes simple crimes, are very violent, and often lead to public executions. Women, for example, do not even have the right to defend themselves to prove innocence. I can only count how many innocent victims there must have been in history.

 

[Senad]

A scary thought, but partly not without truth.
Under most Islamic regimes, the penalties for sometimes simple crimes, are very violent, and often lead to public executions. Women, for example, do not even have the right to defend themselves to prove innocence. I can only count how many innocent victims there must have been in history.

You do have to realize though that many of these laws are brought upon by the regimes themselves under the name of religion. I'm sure everybody here remembers Timothy McVey who thought blowing up the building in Oklahoma was a good thing due to his own religious beliefs. The KKK used chrisitanity to cover themselves up as the supreme race. Every religion has their extremists, you simply, I think, cannot justify actions based on the regimes and their laws.

If we did that then we can also assume that the U.S. has the extreme law of the death penalty. What's more we can state that it is based on Christian values can we not? When we take the pledge of allegance..."One Nation under GOD"...or take the oath at the court..."Do you swear to tell the truth and nothing but to truth so help you GOD?"....or even the mear fact that you have to swear based upon your religous book...or even the statement on the dollar bill..."In God We Trust". Surely when an outside sees all of this and then sees the death penalty one could assume the same barbaric ritual of killing (even possibly innocent people) under the name of religion. You might state that there is a seperation of church and state but is there really? Of course not. Priests molested little children yet they are not in jail for it. Why? Because the government protects them.

We have to be very careful when we draw the line on this discussion. There is a much deeper history between Europe and the Middle East that goes far back to the Middle Ages. This tension over the centuries has been building up and I think this was the perfect time (with the war in Iraq & Afghanistan along with now Iran and Syria being attacked) where the tipping point of many Muslims in that region is sensitive and they feel like they are under attack.

Nobody here has mentioned the peaceful protests. I'm curious about that. I remember reading how there were protests all over the U.S. not one single act of violence or hatred was stated. How quickly we seem to be able to look away at the other side.

 

[eGawish]

I would say with 100% certainty that they just backed down because they don't have the balls to stand up to a bunch of radical idiots who know nothing more than violence and try to impose their way of life on others.

Man, i dont have time to show crimes commited by Christians worldwide that shows who are the real "idiots who know nothing more than violence and try to impose their way of life on others." , but here are some events.

1. Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ( You've got to see this. )

2. The American invasion to Iraq, maybe you would say that Iraqi people died there did deserve it, BUT what about the American soldiers died there!! ( 2,267 American soldier died there till now See CNN stats here )

3. I think alot of people believes that Hetler was Christian.

4. Abu-Gharib prison transgression/violence, you've got to google search Abu Gharib Images.

 

[Artashes]

1. Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ( You've got to see this. )

2. The American invasion to Iraq, maybe you would say that Iraqi people died there did deserve it, BUT what about the American soldiers died there!! ( 2,267 American soldier died there till now See CNN stats here )

3. I think alot of people believes that Hetler was Christian.

4. Abu-Gharib prison transgression/violence, you've got to google search Abu Gharib Images.

Even though extremely tragic, did any of these events happen because of religious beliefs?

 

[Senad]

eGawish in defense to the Christian faith, you also cannot state that the people doing this were Christians. Was Saddam a true believer in Islam? Of course not you do not kill people in order to control them.

 

[eGawish]

Even though extremely tragic, did any of these events happen because of religious beliefs?

Man, please dont just keep telling strange things with no real facts, who told you that our Islamic beliefs contains any orders for violence or something near to it, please Qoute from Qur'an or Ahadeeth for Muhamed (P.B.U.H) or just post any link if you find something, and BTW, you must have heard about "The army of God" in North Oghanda, they keep killing in the name of Christanity.

Under most Islamic regimes, the penalties for sometimes simple crimes, are very violent, and often lead to public executions. Women, for example, do not even have the right to defend themselves to prove innocence. I can only count how many innocent victims there must have been in history.

Thats aint true, or even near to the truth, belive me am egyptian and i've lived in an Islamic country all my life. And you also state strange things without any facts or something proving it. In Egypt women have got the same rights as man in the issue of defending herself in the court of law or anything. Execution is also very rare, and never executed in a simple crime, For example the Egyptain President "Al Sadat" his assesination was previously organised and when they cought the killers, only one of them was executed, there are some of them even released during the last year.

 

[Senad]

I think many here can agree that there are many different people who kill in the name of religion and use violence in the name of religion when in reality they are far from the teachings of that Religion. Christianity teaches love and peace, As does Islam, as Does Budhism yet there are a small few who use violence to attempt to spread the religion. This small portion is always looked upon rather than the larget global portion. IE: We looked at riots only in Syria, Afghanistan, Iran...yet what about the protests in Canada, U.S., Bosnia, Jordan, Qatar, Bahrein...etc...etc...Those were all peaceful protests yet the media didn't pick them up.

Art was not attacking anything by his statement I don't think. He just made a point that the points thath you made were not in the name of religion.

 

[Artashes]

eGawish, not sure if you read the Qur'an (I never read the Bible), but as far as I know, based on speeches (and quotes) by Muslim fundamentalists, their mission is to rid the world of infidels. That would make all of their terrorist crimes against innocent people around the world religious-based.

"My God has a bigger d*&# than your God!"
- from George Carlin's material.

 

[Senad]

Art you also have to realize that the Qur'an does not teach this. Just like...well I do not want to say Christian groups because I do not believe they are true believers... these extremest (again I don't want to say Muslim because they are far from it) twist words and theories around to make it fit into their agenda. The Qur'an teaches for tolerence and love of others just as the Bible does. There are many more similarities such as this that have the basis within both faiths. In fact both faiths teach and preach for love of mankind and tolerance of others.

It is these fundamentalists (who twist the words of religion such as Al-Queda or the KKK) that deface the true religious teachings. I think that there is a big misunderstanding here in regards to what Islam is, and what Islam is depicted as. Just as there is a misunderstanding of what Christianity is in the Muslim world.

You only see a small part of the story in the media. When the Hurrican hit Louisianna Muslims nationwide in the U.S. sent money and made charity funds to help the needy...where was that in the news? When 9/11 happend, Muslims again made charities and went out and condemned these vile actions. Where was the media to report that? Bias in the media will always create a bias in the audience.

A great example of this is the 9/11 hijackers. The media reported that the last thing they did was go to a strip bar and club. This is forbidden in Islam and they have therefore, fallen out of their religious teachings. Yet people still believe that this action is acceptable in Islam. One must educate themselves about both religions before one can truly discuss this argument I believe. Without understanding for both people will always argue one against the other.

Also another point, your quote is fairly false. Both faiths worship the same God.