Muslim Fury Over Danish Cartoons Spurs Riots Across The Globe

[Artashes]

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1523891/20060207/index.jhtml?headlines=true

"It is blasphemous ... and beyond disrespect to not just depict the Prophet, but to depict him as a terrorist." — Evelyn Alsultany, University of Michigan

Islamic law forbids depictions of Muhammad. My perspective is - Denmark is not an Islamic republic, so its under no such law. However, is it an issue of free speech or was it really an out-of-proportion insult that its causing so many riots?

Iran has announced its government will suspend economic and diplomatic ties with Denmark over the controversy.

Seriously, wouldn't there be more impact on Iran's economy than on Danish one?

 

[Blue]

The hypocrisy is amazing.
Moderate muslims say people are blaming all muslims for the acts of a few and in the same breath they defend what these people are doing.

People keep saying that it is against the Koran to publish pictures of muhammed. This is in fact false. The Koran makes no mention of this at all.

Here are a few cartoons that appeared in Muslim publications prior to the muhammed cartoons being printed. Where was the outrage in the Muslim world then?
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm

 

[ldcdc]

Seriously, wouldn't there be more impact on Iran's economy than on Danish one?

Obviously these reactions have nothing to do with reason.

 

[Blue]

Obviously these reactions have nothing to do with reason.

No, but they have everything to do with hatred and inciting.

There is pretty strong evidence that will come to light in the next week that these cartoons would have got nothing more than the reaction they deserved, which if fact they did when they were originally published, but radical mullahs from Iran and Syria and various other places decided to push the matter months later by distributing the cartoons in know fundamental muslim areas knowing it would cause just this type of reaction.

This is a preordained and planned action to promote hatred toward the West.

 

[Artashes]

People keep saying that it is against the Koran to publish pictures of muhammed.

I think it is not against the Koran to publish pictures of Muhammed, but its against the Islam law to depict religious icons.
But the link you provided is very interesting. So when Islamic media depicts the rest of the world - everyone is supposed just to take it, huh?

 

[ldcdc]

This is a preordained and planned action to promote hatred toward the West.

I have no doubt that is the case.

I wonder what their real aim is though. Maybe they're searching for a way to justify future actions against European countries and enlist more muslim extremists who live there?

 

[eGawish]

People keep saying that it is against the Koran to publish pictures of muhammed. This is in fact false. The Koran makes no mention of this at all.

Well, Holy Qura'an cant contain everything thats forbiden or not, people got brains to have the ability to think, Its not against Qur'an its against Islam to have such a pic. for a higher being, not just for being Muhamed, but for being a prophet, Its really horrible to see some guys get pics for Jesus in cartoon and some stuff in order to make people laugh, That really hurts Muslims also.

I wonder what their real aim is though. Maybe they're searching for a way to justify future actions against European countries and enlist more muslim extremists who live there?

I thinks its aint the right question to ask, you've got to think what was the aim behind that pics ?? Alot of people (including me) believes that Islam is the only religion that can't be insulted by its people (muslims) you never see any muslim, make fun of anything in his Religion including his great Prophet, you know Muslim can fight against who do so, even if he do alot of wrong things which's against rules of Islam, So some of Non-Muslims thought of breaking that thing, Cause they dont like feeling that alot of Christians for example making fun of their Prophet (Jesus),- if you want an example, you've got to watch something like (SouthPark)-, and muslim would never do such a thing about their own religion, or any other Religion in the world.

This is a preordained and planned action to promote hatred toward the West.

Alright, thats not true. You can see that all muslims stands against who re-publish those pics, for instance that Journal which re-published the pics in Qatar, its (Editor-In-Chief) the one who's responsible for that action was fired the same day of the pics publishing, With some other people who're responsible for that thing.

Obviously these reactions have nothing to do with reason.

Well, Muslims got the right to show their real fury, against who did that thing, but all sane muslims would blame the damage caused by protestors.



(Please excuse my english, my home language isn't english)

 

[Blue]

You haven't explained how it is not true that this is preordained action to perpetuate hatred toward the West.

You haven't explained why it is so bad for a newspaper in a free and democratic country to print pictures that offend you when it is ok to print pictures in Muslim papers depicting jews as murders and nazis and terrorists. Sorry, but just because it's religion it doesn't allow you to have a double standard.

you know Muslim can fight against who do so, even if he do alot of wrong things which's against rules of Islam

This is the problem with the whole "moderate" Muslim attitute that makes me think that there are no real moderates. You claim you wouldn't go out and do these things and yet you still justify the actions.

 

[Senad]

You haven't explained how it is not true that this is preordained action to perpetuate hatred toward the West.

You haven't explained why it is so bad for a newspaper in a free and democratic country to print pictures that offend you when it is ok to print pictures in Muslim papers depicting jews as murders and nazis and terrorists. Sorry, but just because it's religion it doesn't allow you to have a double standard.



This is the problem with the whole "moderate" Muslim attitute that makes me think that there are no real moderates. You claim you wouldn't go out and do these things and yet you still justify the actions.

Blue, you also have to look at the history of the Danish. I remember we had a Christian Danish spokes woman come to our University a few years back as a guest speaker and pointed out evidence of how the Danish government is trying to place the Muslims living their, out of the contry or making it very hard to do so. How the Danish have created a parliment government that mocks and insults Muslims. It was very interesting with the evidence, news articles, and video she showed.

Personally I think both sides are at fault. Islam does teach you to not worship idols or pictures of prophets, gods, etc. The newspaper has a moral responsibility to not insult others religions and beliefs (that goes for both sides). You also fail to acknowledge that Wester Newspapers have as well always made cartoons depicting Muslims as barabric and a terrorist.

This conflict has continued to go back and forth and back and forth and personally I think that a line has been crossed. The cartoonist was asked, if you had a chance to draw Jesus as you did here with the Prophet Mohammad would you? He said no, Jesus is my life. This was depicted on the news and it is where a double standard lies as well.

If somebody made a news paper article making fun of your mother or somebody you highly respect would you also be angry?

Personally the morality of newspapers and articles today of the West Vs. Middle East has not been questioned until now. Both sides are to blame and both sides should do what they must. The Danish government has a moral responsibility to watch what their news says (here in the U.S. it is done all the time). They refuse to apologize and claim it is under freedom of speech. The moral values to me to make such a statement is low. They see the anger that this cartoon as depicted and yet they do not apologize because of their freedom of speech. With Great power and freedom comes great responsibility as well. The West out of all should no better and be beyond it and teach the Middle East and show them other ways. Killing and burning flags to me is just wrong and will not defuse the situation any further.

Just my 2 cents on how I see this.

 

[Blue]

Blue, you also have to look at the history of the Danish. I remember we had a Christian Danish spokes woman come to our University a few years back as a guest speaker and pointed out evidence of how the Danish government is trying to place the Muslims living their, out of the contry or making it very hard to do so. How the Danish have created a parliment government that mocks and insults Muslims. It was very interesting with the evidence, news articles, and video she showed.

While this may be true it is still the Danish government doing what they consider to be acceptable on Danish land. If they were to go outside their borders and try and impose their will then I would be totally against it.

Personally I think both sides are at fault. Islam does teach you to not worship idols or pictures of prophets, gods, etc. The newspaper has a moral responsibility to not insult others religions and beliefs (that goes for both sides). You also fail to acknowledge that Wester Newspapers have as well always made cartoons depicting Muslims as barabric and a terrorist.

I don't think there is any doubt that there is fault on both sides but the fact of the matter is you cannot equate the printing of cartoons with the killing and destruction that is happening now.
I have not failed to acknowledge at all how Muslims are portrayed in Western cartoons. What people are not acknowledging is that it is their right to make those portrayals. The fact is, the Muslims that are being depicted are barbaric terrorists.

If somebody made a news paper article making fun of your mother or somebody you highly respect would you also be angry?

This has no revelance to the current situation but to answer your question I would not burn down the house and threaten the life of someone just for making fun of my Mother. I am mature enough and intelligent enough to know better.

The Danish government has a moral responsibility to watch what their news says (here in the U.S. it is done all the time). They refuse to apologize and claim it is under freedom of speech. The moral values to me to make such a statement is low. They see the anger that this cartoon as depicted and yet they do not apologize because of their freedom of speech. With Great power and freedom comes great responsibility as well.

The Danish government has the moral responsibility to ensure that the right of free speech is maintained. Just because someone got angry of the publication of the cartoon does not obligate them to apologize.
With great power and freedom comes the great responsibility to protect your citizens rights.

 

[Artashes]

I read in Russian press just recently that the Danish government has been extremely tough on migration processes for Muslims. It is extremely hard for them to migrate into Denmark, while neighbor Sweden has very light procedures. However, that is something they have the right to. It is their country and their policies. Take a look at France and make your own conclusions.

Best,

 

[ldcdc]

It is extremely hard for them to migrate into Denmark

And all this story will probably serve as proof that they were doing the right thing all this time.

 

[eGawish]

You haven't explained how it is not true that this is preordained action to perpetuate hatred toward the West.

Sorry, i think i've missed that point, but i maybe at your side and say its planned if i c muslims over react, but i thought Muslims will do more than that, all things happened were expected (This dont mean i like what they do), and you know why? Cause who did that thing, have done the worst thing, the worst and strongest way in which you can hurt a muslim, is making fun of anything about Islam, so the situation doesnt need people to plan what happened, all these things happened without any preparation or planning.

You haven't explained why it is so bad for a newspaper in a free and democratic country to print pictures that offend you when it is ok to print pictures in Muslim papers depicting jews as murders and nazis and terrorists. Sorry, but just because it's religion it doesn't allow you to have a double standard.

Well, For you, religion and prophets aint so special, you think you can compare prophets with any other people, this way isnt the way Muslims think, According to any Muslims- relegion is the highest or greatest thing in his life (even if he dont follow it in all of his deeds). and btw freedom is only limited when it hurts somebody, or trying to limit his own freedom, so being free doesnt mean you can hurt any1's feeling or limit his freedom, and these pics really hurted us badly.

you know Muslim can fight against who do so, even if he do alot of wrong things which's against rules of Islam

This is the problem with the whole "moderate" Muslim attitute that makes me think that there are no real moderates. You claim you wouldn't go out and do these things and yet you still justify the actions.

Well, as "Senad" have said, Imagine if some1 makes fun of your father, or even some1 that you like or respect more than your father, what you gonna do, will you stand and do nothing ?, but i said i blame muslims cause they've burnt and caused alot of damage and loss for innocent people.

the Muslims that are being depicted are barbaric terrorists.

I wont reply to that cause i think that a year wont be long enough to let me post events proving who're the real terrorists in this world. I would be glad if you start a topic about that thing.

I read in Russian press just recently that the Danish government has been extremely tough on migration processes for Muslims. It is extremely hard for them to migrate into Denmark, while neighbor Sweden has very light procedures. However, that is something they have the right to. It is their country and their policies. Take a look at France and make your own conclusions.

And all this story will probably serve as proof that they were doing the right thing all this time.

I dont think that this proves anything but Racism.

 

[Artashes]

I dont think that this proves anything but Racism.

Are you implying to what Denmark does in regard of their migration policies, or me for stating what I've read?

 

[eGawish]

Are you implying to what Denmark does in regard of their migration policies, or me for stating what I've read?

Iam implying to what Denmark did about migration of muslims.

 

[Blue]

Cause who did that thing, have done the worst thing, the worst and strongest way in which you can hurt a muslim, is making fun of anything about Islam, so the situation doesnt need people to plan what happened, all these things happened without any preparation or planning.

Again, I have to disagree. This was most definately a planned thing. These cartoons were published months ago with little reaction internationally and that is how it should have and could have stayed if these radical Muslims had not perpetuated the issue.

and btw freedom is only limited when it hurts somebody, or trying to limit his own freedom, so being free doesnt mean you can hurt any1's feeling or limit his freedom, and these pics really hurted us badly.

Freedom of expression and freedom of speech does cover the right to "hurt your feelings". If it didn't no one would ever be able to speak or write anything. What it doesn't cover is the right to burn down buildings and kill people.

Well, as "Senad" have said, Imagine if some1 makes fun of your father, or even some1 that you like or respect more than your father, what you gonna do, will you stand and do nothing ?

I have already responded to this.

I wont reply to that cause i think that a year wont be long enough to let me post events proving who're the real terrorists in this world. I would be glad if you start a topic about that thing.

You cannot deny that the Muslims being depicted are terrorists. I am on the record as saying that many of the US tactics on international policy would classify them as terrorist acts as well. There are terrorists from all parts of the world and all walks of life.

I dont think that this proves anything but Racism.

I don't think that a country's immigration policy can constitute racism.
In Toronto Canada, in the early 1990's, 90% of all violent crimes were committed by Jamaicans. Canada subsequently took a very strong immigration policy toward Jamaica. That is not racism it is doing what is best for the country and its citizens.

 

[Artashes]

Cartoons are supposed to be something that entertain people and something that is not taken seriously. That is why they are usually found on the cartoon page in the entertainment section of newspapers.
Something tells me its not even about a cartoon. It is more of an excuse to build up the hatred toward the rest of the civilized world, and especially the west.

 

[Blue]

In all fairness, these cartoons were not published on the "cartoon" page, they were on the editorial page. That is a significant difference in perception but of course it still doesn't justify this kind of reaction.

 

[eGawish]

Again, I have to disagree. This was most definately a planned thing. These cartoons were published months ago with little reaction internationally and that is how it should have and could have stayed if these radical Muslims had not perpetuated the issue.

I've never heard about these cartoons till two weeks ago, i was really shocked to know that it was first published on september, but i think a lil people heard about it at first coz that newspaper is not a major one in Denmark, but when other newspapers published that cartoons, like in France for example, the whole world knew it. and btw, do you know that you can find protestors in about 18 country ? Including Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordon, Qatar, Morocco, Tunisia, Bengladeesh, Iran, Iraq, Palastine, Syria, Emarites, Sudan, Kuwait, Libia, Algeria, Indonesia, Philippians. And thats not including the Europian countries that have got some muslims there. Who do you think got the power to make that people do what they're doing, in more than 18 Country ?

Freedom of expression and freedom of speech does cover the right to "hurt your feelings". If it didn't no one would ever be able to speak or write anything. What it doesn't cover is the right to burn down buildings and kill people.

You know, it may cover "Hurt Your Feeling", but in one case, if you write it in a reasonable way, for example, you can say" "Gawish you're a terrorist, bec. you did the following (and here write events proving what you've said)", but they didnt do that coz they know they wont find a SINGLE action that shows how Prophet Muhammed (P.B.U.H) is a terrorist.

I don't think that a country's immigration policy can constitute racism.In Toronto Canada, in the early 1990's, 90% of all violent crimes were committed by Jamaicans. Canada subsequently took a very strong immigration policy toward Jamaica. That is not racism it is doing what is best for the country and its citizens.

I dont think that 90% of all violent crimes in Denmark were commited by Muslims, you've got to tell a reason what muslims have done to Denmark to try hardly getting them out of thier country.

Cartoons are supposed to be something that entertain people and something that is not taken seriously. That is why they are usually found on the cartoon page in the entertainment section of newspapers. Something tells me its not even about a cartoon. It is more of an excuse to build up the hatred toward the rest of the civilized world, and especially the west.

Again i will tell you that its the way you think, you can laugh on some1 making fun of your religion, its ok, but its not the way Muslims think. Muslims believe that the religion is the greatest thing in his life. (i've said that before)

In all fairness, these cartoons were not published on the "cartoon" page, they were on the editorial page. That is a significant difference in perception but of course it still doesn't justify this kind of reaction.

Well, it really cause Muslims' fury and anger, But still, our reaction wasnt reasonable.

 

[Artashes]

Again i will tell you that its the way you think, you can laugh on some1 making fun of your religion, its ok, but its not the way Muslims think. Muslims believe that the religion is the greatest thing in his life. (i've said that before)

But the cartoon wasn't published in any Muslim newspapers. It was published in Denmark. I am guessing it isn't the first cartoon of same nature, but its the Muslims alone who are taking it that way.
In Russia, we have many daily newspapers with cartoons in them as part of an editorial material. No one is going on a killing spree about them. They are just that cartoons.