Is there such a think such as free VPS?

I was just wondering thank you for the adivce. The freevps was ment to be an experiment as freesharedhosting is a big think
 
No one can provide it free of cost for ever. A company can provide it for a discounted rate or free for first month but not forever.
 
tanveerhabib said:
No one can provide it free of cost for ever. A company can provide it for a discounted rate or free for first month but not forever.
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Nonsense. It can be provided for free as long as the company wants to. For example I could offer a package that inlcudes a free vps with a dedicated server
 
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Collabora said:
Nonsense. It can be provided for free as long as the company wants to. For example I could offer a package that inlcudes a free vps with a dedicated server
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This is not free. You'd be asking people to buy something else to get it.
 
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" expresses the idea that even if something seems like it is free, there is always a cost, no matter how indirect or hidden.
 
Artashes said:
This is not free. You'd be asking people to buy something else to get it.
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That thinking is ridiculous and its nothing more than kindergarten metaphysics. In this context "free" refers to a monetary transaction and means you don't pay money for the thing.

If I charge $100 for a dedi and $10 for a vps and you come to my site you will pay $110.00 for both. If I tell you to wait until tomorrow and I will give you the vps for free, and you do so walking away with a dedi and vps by just paying for the dedi, are you going to call me a liar?

According to your logic you would be right to do so. You might is well say the air is not free since you have to pay for the knife that kills the animal for the food you eat in order to operate your lungs and breathe. Or you need to pay for Kleenex to unplug your nose during a cold. Or, the butcher is giving away free steaks on Mondays -- wait a minute, I have to pay for gas to get there. Its not really free! That's how ridiculous these responses are.

How many hosts have you seen give a couple months hosting for free if you pay a year in advance? Are they liars too?

Here is a question for you that would be easy to answer if you are correct. Since everything that is free has a cost, can anything with a cost be called free? And if not how do you determine the difference between something that is free and something that is not (since they both have a cost, and a cost is a cost is a cost)?

If I don't charge you for something its free, by definition. Period! Its amazing how so many alleged businessmen here are befuddled by this concept. I'm a nice guy so I'll give you analysts another month and two dozen posts to figure that out.
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Collabora, you are swapping terms, unfortunately.

Let's take a closer look on your example. You sell a dedi for $100 and a VPS for $10. In order to sell dedi, you give VPS free - you do not charge customer for it, SO HE DOES NOT HAVE TO PAY.

However, VPS he gets is not made of air. It is a part of another dedicated server YOU own and in order to be operational it should be PAID FOR. If the customer does not pay, YOU DO.

Of course it is your choice - lose $10 to earn $100 - yet it does not change the fact that "free" VPS is paid for. By YOU in this case, not by your Customer, yet datacenter receives the payment to make this VPS operational (it is lower than $10, of course, because you have your margin, so you pay $4 for instance).

"Its amazing how so many alleged businessmen here" are right. Yet more amazing is how stubborn you are in defying the obvious truth.
 
HostZealot said:
Let's take a closer look on your example. You sell a dedi for $100 and a VPS for $10. In order to sell dedi, you give VPS free - you do not charge customer for it, SO HE DOES NOT HAVE TO PAY.

However, VPS he gets is not made of air. It is a part of another dedicated server YOU own and in order to be operational it should be PAID FOR. If the customer does not pay, YOU DO.
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You are being silly. Stick to the context. Its free to the buyer, not the seller, of course. You even used the word free. Sheesh

In your example suppose I got the dedicated server that has the vps for free? Your logic is invalid by way of reductio ad absurdum

When the customer does not need to pay for a good, we say that good is free. This has nothing to do with the cost of running the business that sells the good. When someone asks where they can get a free vps, you don't need a bunch harvard mba wannabes discussing the meaning of free for 5 weeks to give an answer. Get real.
 
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I have to agree with Collabora. Getting something free whether it be through another purchase or someone handing stuff out is still free. If I go to a store and buy something and because I bought that item I get something else free, it is still free. It is free in the sense that "I" did not have to pay for it. So, using the example above, buying a dedi and getting a VPS free means I got a free vps. Business expenses, gas to get there, etc. should not factor in.

Just my 2 cents. :)
 
vps.me offers free VPS hosting however it is limited to few countries (not sure which one). Also, the access to your VPS may be limited. The most VPS provider offers money back guarantee so you can consider that period as a trail period.
 
Collabora said:
You are being silly. Stick to the context. Its free to the buyer, not the seller, of course. You even used the word free. Sheesh
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Get real.
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There, we get to the point at last. Someone still has to pay for something given free to someone else. I understand your strategy - we all do this, selling something and giving something free with it, at our own expense (which is right, IMHO), or at customer's expense (which many bad providers do).

When your Mom bought you toys, you got these free, yet she paid for them.

Your logic is much more absurd than mine, when you state "According to your logic you would be right to do so. You might is well say the air is not free since you have to pay for the knife that kills the animal for the food you eat in order to operate your lungs and breathe. Or you need to pay for Kleenex to unplug your nose during a cold. Or, the butcher is giving away free steaks on Mondays -- wait a minute, I have to pay for gas to get there. Its not really free! That's how ridiculous these responses are."

Lets stick to the topic, you are right.

Do not try to be witty or sarcastic, it does not bother me a bit. I said you swap terms and you do swap them. That is all.
 
romes said:
I have to agree with Collabora. Getting something free whether it be through another purchase or someone handing stuff out is still free. If I go to a store and buy something and because I bought that item I get something else free, it is still free. It is free in the sense that "I" did not have to pay for it. So, using the example above, buying a dedi and getting a VPS free means I got a free vps. Business expenses, gas to get there, etc. should not factor in.

Just my 2 cents. :)
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I fully agree with this. When customer does not pay for something - he gets it free.

However, the real question is this - is Collabora's $100 dedi really worth these $100?

If that dedi is really worth these $100, and Collabora loses $10 by giving that additional VPS free - it is an act of kindness, great for the customer... but least likely to happen in real world, as we all have to gain profit.

Maybe it is worth only $50 (for example, no accuses), so provider's margin is $50 and he can include that free VPS with no harm for himself. Therefore, customer still pays for that VPS. Actually, he pays 5 times more than the real cost is.

Unfortunately, this is the way most providers work. Business expenses do count, gas on travel - no. The difference between all providers is only the sum they overcharge. Some overcharge only 10% and gain profit by numbers. Some overcharge about 100%, because they have less customers, have to maximize profit from each client and promise "free" features which are not free.

No offense, simply business. That is the point of my posts. We all do business our ways. I do not judge anyone and do not like anyone else doing it.
 
HZ, the value or price of one good is irrelevant to the question whether or not another good is free. It may be a deciding factor for the consumer to proceed with a transaction but its not connected the meaning of free

The question is not "is collabora charging a fair price for dedi, or overcharging to make up for free vps." The vps remains free. Even if I doubled the price to $200 and sold Dedi 2-for-1 you would still be getting a dedi for free (it would cost $400 for two otherwise)

You are defining free based on the subjective value and price you are ascribing to other goods and activities that may or may not be related to the free good. That is not what "free" (in our context) is about. As long as the consumer goes along with deal and does not pay for a good then that good is free. Makes no difference if it requires some sort of qualification, no matter how much that qualification may cost

I know hosting company that gives free shared hosting and email with certain vps purchases. Free is free. It costs zero dollars for the hosting/email. The fact that you have to pay for something else is irrelevant to the meaning of free.

Thus, using current examples and OP, if someone asks the question: "where can I get a free vps?" the correct answer is: "Acme hosting, but you have to buy a dedi too." Not: "nowhere, nothing is free"

Here is a working definition for you: If a line-item on an invoice is $0.00 than that item is free
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Well, with these explanations - it all makes sense now. I was a bit confused when you began comparing hosting service with air.

Air is free for any living being on Earth, fullstop. Hosting requires some payments to be made at some point from some part of the "DC-provider-customer" chain, even the free one. If the customer does not pay - he gets it free, I totally agree with that. You pay for that hosting, but who cares? It is absolutely free for your customer.

I am glad we sorted this out.
 
Collabora said:
If I charge $100 for a dedi and $10 for a vps and you come to my site you will pay $110.00 for both. If I tell you to wait until tomorrow and I will give you the vps for free, and you do so walking away with a dedi and vps by just paying for the dedi, are you going to call me a liar?
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Bottom line is: I need a VPS. Can you give it to me for free?
 
Its usually to gain the unique factor and attract potential customers and then they tend to stay since they don't want to move
 
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