Help Me Choose: Linux vs. Windows Hosting

[ourweb]

Thank-you for making my point!!!!! My case has been made, not my words but by your own words......... :dance: :dance:

First, I know where you are going with this, since you've already stated "I own a hosting company for 8 years." You're preparing to compare your 8 years of hosting, to my 13 years of networking, computer communication, operating system managment, and governmental computer security management in the US Army Special Forces. I do believe my networking and OS security experience far outweighs your 8 years of pushing websites from a few servers.



The fact is, for now, Windows is not built completely with security in mind. Therefore as business owners it is our job to adapt to the software we choose to use. That means, whether or not it is an after thought, it is our job to secure the software we choose to use for the job.

It has nothing do do with your qualifications or mine...it's common sense.

Just as you thought Blue's statement was biased based on who paid for the study, we cannot base the entire OS security theory on your single experience, in which you determined the best method to secure your windows server was to give up and shut it off, rather than actually secure the OS.

 

[ANMMark]

Am I missing something, or is it that you simply did not understand what I was saying all along? I said the exact same thing, just in different words.

 

[TRau]

Windows has come a long way. The Server OS's have gotten better (security wise) with each new version. I always disliked the fact that NT4 and to a certain degree W2K installed with everything accessible by default. Microsoft did it that way so that even a retarded monkey could stick in a CD and get Server up and running. It took a reasonably skilled administrator to properly secure it at that point. Server2003 is a major step in the right direction, it defaults with most things secured, SP1 makes a good thing even better. If you go to the NSA site and look at their guidelines for securing your server you'll see what I mean, look at the difference in recommendations for W2K and W2K3.
No offense, but anybody that can't keep their windows server from getting hacked every week either flat out hasn't got a clue to what they are doing or are too lazy to learn. Just because it has a GUI interface and you know how to click a mouse doesn't make you a windows admin, any more than knowing what root is and a couple of commands makes you a linux admin.

 

[sweetz]

good question and the answer is its not of course. it all depends on how well the server is being managed and monitored in order to decide on whether or not its secure. all of the information is this forum is very valuable.

 

[Blue]

Now I dont know about you but I live in the real hosting world. I own a hosting company for 8 years. I have 10 servers----1 win2000 9 linux. The win2000 was hack once a week, until I found out how to sercue it by the off button.

If you have been in the business for 10 years then you should have better judgement than to try and run a server that you are not qualified to secure.

Your inablility to secure a server should not be blamed on an entire operating system.
If someone has no clue what they are doing with linux it will be no more secure than a windows server.

 

[ourweb]

Now do you have a hosting company, if so how long. If you are not a Fly-by-night lets get it on.................

FACT: Lets look how to make a wed directory secure: in wodows iis by making a entry in the system master password file..

On linux in Apeach, each web site has it's own password files...

AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT SEES A MAJOR SECIURY PROBLEM HERE?

If you have been in the business for 10 years then you should have better judgement than to try and run a server that you are not qualified to secure.

Your inablility to secure a server should not be blamed on an entire operating system.
If someone has no clue what they are doing with linux it will be no more secure than a windows server.

 

[TRau]

Now do you have a hosting company, if so how long. If you are not a Fly-by-night lets get it on.................

FACT: Lets look how to make a wed directory secure: in wodows iis by making a entry in the system master password file..

On linux in Apeach, each web site has it's own password files...

AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT SEES A MAJOR SECIURY PROBLEM HERE?

I do not have a hosting company, but I do work with Windows servers every day (granted only a minority are webservers and most of those are for intranets). Why don't you just do what many others do, go to Troxo and download IIS Password. It's free, it works, and its compatible with htaccess.

 

[ourweb]

If you dont have a hosting company then sit down and shut the **** up. You know more than me...... I just love "fly-by-nighters"..... You know **** about this biz and you just said it

I do not have a hosting company, but I do work with Windows servers every day (granted only a minority are webservers and most of those are for intranets). Why don't you just do what many others do, go to Troxo and download IIS Password. It's free, it works, and its compatible with htaccess.

 

[TRau]

If you dont have a hosting company then sit down and shut the **** up. You know more than me...... I just love "fly-by-nighters"..... You know **** about this biz and you just said it

Why don't you get a grip on reality. A person doesn't have to own a hosting company to be an expert on servers. Are you so narrow minded as to think that all servers are used for webhosting? Owning a hosting company makes you an expert? Does that rule apply to the kiddie hosts with a ten dollar reseller account as well?
You obviously don't know how to run a W2K server if you couldn't keep it from being hacked every week, there are a lot of other hosting companies out there that seem to be able to keep them running. Owning a hosting company sure didn't seem to help your abilities there.

 

[ANMMark]

Now do you have a hosting company, if so how long. If you are not a Fly-by-night lets get it on.................

FACT: Lets look how to make a wed directory secure: in wodows iis by making a entry in the system master password file..

On linux in Apeach, each web site has it's own password files...

AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT SEES A MAJOR SECIURY PROBLEM HERE?

"Let's Get it on" isn't that a Barry White tune?

I find it a severe security issue that you have run a business for 10 years, but never learned how to spell.

wodows = Windows ..I presume.

Apeach, I'm assuming is not something you get in Georgia, but rather the Apache server software?

I'll also assume that you're not trying to create a married folder, when you attempt to create a Wed Folder in Wodows, but instead are trying to create a Web folder?

Please don't come and talk about how no one here knows about SECIURY (which I'll assume you meant security), when you can't even spell the word.

Let's forget about "fly-by-night". Your spelling tells me that you need to "fly-by-night school"

Your problem is, is that when you are proved wrong, you fly off the handle.

ourweb, I own a hosting company, and have 14 years of experience total. You wanna "get it on"? let's "get it on"!

btw I can prove my experience, with solid documentation. Can you?

 

[Artashes]

I don't think anyone owes any kind of explanation to ourweb. He's just had a taste of REAL forum experience. :banned:

 

[TRau]

Its a shame he had to be so childish. A real businessman would have wanted to learn and perhaps improve business by being able to offer more solutions. As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water........

 

[Exon]

I love Linux vs. Windows debates. They're better than the "Does God exist?" and "The Bible is FAKE!" debates.

Windows has it's highlights, and so does Linux. Everything boils down to being able to know how to use it properly (Secure it).

It's like saying, "Ford sucks and the best way to keep it reliable is to keep it in the garage."

/late rant.

 

[TRau]

I love Linux vs. Windows debates.

So true. Both OS's have there place, which is best depends on the users needs. What gets these arguments going all the time is plain old human nature. If someone is using or selling Linux hosting, that has to be best. After all no one would knowingly choose second best. Same applies to distros, if I'm running RedHat Enterprise, that has to be best, if I'm using Apache that must be best, if I'm using cpanel that must be best, and so on. Same thing applies to Windows.

Maybe its time for a new debate, Zeus vs Apache....

 

[ANMMark]

So true. Both OS's have there place, which is best depends on the users needs. What gets these arguments going all the time is plain old human nature. If someone is using or selling Linux hosting, that has to be best.

I hear ya, but it's not always true.

For example, if we have a potential client come to us with windows specific needs, we tell them straight out "You need a Windows host, and we're not it."

It may not be the best sales tactic, to push a potential client to your competitor, or not try to push the advantages of your own product, but I found that the best way to burn your name into the minds of consumers is to be bluntly honest.

Think about it. How many times have you heard "Buy Now!" or "Buy from us!" Now imagine the severe extreme contrast between that and "You would be better off buying from our competitor." Who would stand out in your mind? Would it be the company that preached the same old story, or the one that told you the obvious truth?

I try to use the same unbiased view when people ask for information.

We chose Linux because it fills the need of the most commonly used features used by a lot of consumers. Being the best OS is a relative point, and as stated many many times, depends on the needs of the consumer.

 

[coolchap]

linux or windows - which is better ?

we have both windows and linux servers.
linux appears to be best from our experience
also it is less expensive than windows.

however a lot also depends on people maintaining those servers

 

[TRau]

It may not be the best sales tactic, to push a potential client to your competitor, or not try to push the advantages of your own product, but I found that the best way to burn your name into the minds of consumers is to be bluntly honest.

It is the best long term sales tactic. Too many people only take the short term "used car salesman" approach when it comes to sales.

 

[vmhosting]

linux or windows - which is better ?

linux appears to be best from our experience
also it is less expensive than windows.

however a lot also depends on people maintaining those servers

I agree with this Linux hosting is cheapier than windows. It also depends on are a custom too.