Schooling

shockym

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For all of those here, did you go to college for what you are doing now? Are you going through studies while still working? I had a friend pose to me today and ask if I had thought about going back or not (I had to drop out before the year started and I have not gone back yet). Thoughts, suggestions, anyone with common fears like myself?
 
I was actually just going to post something about this :) A good friend of mine works for a training company and I've recently enrolled. Basically I can receive as many Cisco and Microsoft certifications as I want for roughly $3k a year. It's a killer deal!

Here's my opinion: As you progressively receive certifications your worth increases. You generally don't see higher wadges until you actually receive your degree, but the great thing is that certifications provide credits towards your degree in the long run. So that's why I'm going this route :)

Seems like these days it doesn't really matter what you have a degree in anyways :(
 
I dropped out of college after about 2 months as I wasn't learning anything I wanted to learn :) I had been programming in Assembly for a few years, but when I went to college I couldn't take a programming class, I was forced to take Basic Computers and Intro to Computers (this is a mouse, it has two buttons. Here's the layout of a keyboard, studdy it for 3 weeks). So I left :)

I think if I did go back to school I might got back for a bit of marketing courses or really just use it as a marking tool itself :)

Getting a degree and certifications (to me) isn't worth the time, as I'm self employed and just because I have a degree it's not giving me a raise. If you're working for someone else, USUALLY this will help you get more money etc - but it depends on the company.

For us, if you can prove you can do it, that's better than a piece of paper any day. I personally don't care if someone spent 3 years learning how to program, what matters to me is the finished product. In that regard, I don't find school to be all that useful (to me).

We do have two of our employees going to school currently though, and I've worked with them around their school schedule. I do appreciate an education, it just wasn't the path for me.
 
I read a blog recently where it was argued that education is the bubble that's going to burst next. I do agree that too much time, resources and productive years are wasted on learning stuff we never get to use in real life.

University years were otherwise quite fun though. :)
 
I do appreciate an education, it just wasn't the path for me.


I appreciate your honesty as I am having this problem as of now. I am going to school for something completely different than my passion. I do not know if I should just finish or do what makes me happy.
 
I didn't start college until I was 40 - business management and microcomputers. I found business math and accounting to be the most beneficial to what I'm doing now. I also think I'd probably take some marketing classes if I went back to school.
 
I completed by Associates in business administration with a focus on accounting in less than a year. At this point, I have 5 classes remaining to get my bachelors degree. Those same five classes have been sitting there for almost four years now.

When I first started my accounting degree. I loved everything about it. I was always ahead of everyone else for my years, smoke gpa, and then I woke up one day finding myself knee deep in hosting and sales. It wasn't always the most profitable thing until recent but it was something I woke everyday going man I love my job.

Loving your job is more important then any education or any amount of money. I spent three and a half years working in corporate America and hated every minute of it.
 
I agree with Zachary on the being happy note. I completed a double degree program where I studied honors business administration and honors computer science and during that time I managed to work at a number of place, one being a private equity firm. At first I loved it and the money was more than excellent, but as time went on, I found myself thinking that I wasn't going to be happy doing this and the only thing keeping me there was the money - so I left it and decided to run my own business. I knew my people skills and high-tech marketing skills were not being fully utilized in that industry so I left to the high-tech industry to bring something big to the public - on my way now ;)

Education is good only if you utilize it well. If you're getting it for the sake of getting a degree, then don't bother - go there to learn what is necessary to accomplish your goals. When an employer looks at your resume, they look for a degree, but they also look to see what you have done with that degree and if your experience is lacking then they won't hire you for the job. Most people think the degree will get you the higher wages, but in the real world the experience usually trumps the education. I'm not saying they won't look for a degree, but most of the time they pay more for the experience backing up the degree and not the degree itself.

Just my 2 cents. Hope it helps!
 
I'll agree with that up to a point. Having a Masters or Doctorate's degree definitely trumps an Associate's Degree with experience. But this only applies if you're working for someone else. Entrepreneurs do not need degrees to succeed - can't hurt, but not the main factor.
 
I'll agree with that up to a point. Having a Masters or Doctorate's degree definitely trumps an Associate's Degree with experience. But this only applies if you're working for someone else. Entrepreneurs do not need degrees to succeed - can't hurt, but not the main factor.

Steve, that greatly depends too. There has been studies out that showing the higher degrees actually put you at odds in a majority of jobs. You do not need a doctorates degree to be in accounting or marketing. It actually will look unfavorable because of the fact that you may demand more pay or benefits.

I do think with the changing business world if you are going to work for someone else a BA or MA is definitely worth going after. As the market gets more competitive the upper level jobs will require a masters degree where is right now they are pluses.

However, a good amount of experience and a bachelors degree should do you very well for awhile to come. I know that I can higher someone fairly reasonably with a bachelors degree with one or two years of experience they know the industry ok but they aren't to the point where I cannot mold them anymore. I want employees I can mold and understand how we do things. With individuals with to much experience or to high an education there can be an issue where they think they know what is best. Then they get fired.
 
There has been studies out that showing the higher degrees actually put you at odds in a majority of jobs. You do not need a doctorates degree to be in accounting or marketing. It actually will look unfavorable because of the fact that you may demand more pay or benefits.
Of course it'll put you at odds in a majority of jobs - the majority of jobs fall at a lower pay scale and skill level. Having a Masters leaps you over the masses into elevated positions of responsibility and earnings. Studies can be overanalyzed - I caught a few seconds of Jay Leno last night and one study concluded that most people who suffered snake bites were in close proximity to the snake. DUH. :D I hear what you're saying, but given the opportunity, I'd always recommend pursuing degree programs - for the majority of people. :)
 
Of course it'll put you at odds in a majority of jobs - the majority of jobs fall at a lower pay scale and skill level. Having a Masters leaps you over the masses into elevated positions of responsibility and earnings. Studies can be overanalyzed - I caught a few seconds of Jay Leno last night and one study concluded that most people who suffered snake bites were in close proximity to the snake. DUH. :D I hear what you're saying, but given the opportunity, I'd always recommend pursuing degree programs - for the majority of people. :)

Well sure your going to get bit by a snake in close proximate. That is a super duh. The point I was trying to make though is, there are fewer of those master degree jobs. There are much fewer. The other issue with it is, that when you have lets say 21k lower jobs cut there is a significant amount of middle and upper managemetn cut as well. Companies have not been fillin gthose positions immediately or at all either.

While I don't disagree if you work for someone else you should go for a degree. I'm just saying that your not anymore safer or likely to get a job with a degree either. There is a lot less chance.
 
I think the higher paying jobs are still there, especially if you're willing to relocate - but many people aren't willing or can't. I would agree that NO job is secure or safe. Would I go back to school to get a higher degree - NO. Would I go back to school to take classes that would help me succeed as an entrepreneur - absolutely.
 
"if you can prove you can do it, that's better than a piece of paper any day" - I guess that is why I am currently common law married. :D

And I see the points in all of this, just wasn't sure if I was the only one or not. The friend who started this ticking in my head is going for her Masters for BIS, I have a sister in law (a few years older than me) getting her Masters in something (I forget, its been a really rough past few days), and I am just thinking maybe I am missing out.

I was planning to go for a Masters in CIS, and the crude I had to go through (schools in my area only did certain things), it would have went:

School 1 - AA
School 2 (another state) - BA
School 3 (same state, 4hrs south) - Masters

Ugg, not sure I can handle that right now, but my mind is still ticking around. I think I want to shoot for something business like, or maybe business/geek like, still debating.
 
I dropped out of college after about 2 months as I wasn't learning anything I wanted to learn :) I had been programming in Assembly for a few years, but when I went to college I couldn't take a programming class, I was forced to take Basic Computers and Intro to Computers (this is a mouse, it has two buttons. Here's the layout of a keyboard, studdy it for 3 weeks). So I left :)

I think if I did go back to school I might got back for a bit of marketing courses or really just use it as a marking tool itself :)

Getting a degree and certifications (to me) isn't worth the time, as I'm self employed and just because I have a degree it's not giving me a raise. If you're working for someone else, USUALLY this will help you get more money etc - but it depends on the company.

For us, if you can prove you can do it, that's better than a piece of paper any day. I personally don't care if someone spent 3 years learning how to program, what matters to me is the finished product. In that regard, I don't find school to be all that useful (to me).

We do have two of our employees going to school currently though, and I've worked with them around their school schedule. I do appreciate an education, it just wasn't the path for me.

I can relate to that. Because, in the end, it's just a piece of paper like you said. What matters is how well you can do the job in question. I've seen too many college graduates with a Bachelor's degree in business or science, and they're working at restaurants serving food!

And all they say when I ask them about it is "It's hard to get a good job in this economy.." :rolleyes2 My wife has a Bachelor's degree in science and education, and she's currently working on her Master's and works at a private school. But, not as a full on teacher, yet.

The truth is most people don't learn much from college..Alot of them just cheat their way thru and learn nothing!.. They just have a nice piece of paper.
 
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I dropped out of college after about 2 months as I wasn't learning anything I wanted to learn :) I had been programming in Assembly for a few years, but when I went to college I couldn't take a programming class, I was forced to take Basic Computers and Intro to Computers (this is a mouse, it has two buttons. Here's the layout of a keyboard, studdy it for 3 weeks). So I left :)

I think if I did go back to school I might got back for a bit of marketing courses or really just use it as a marking tool itself :)

Getting a degree and certifications (to me) isn't worth the time, as I'm self employed and just because I have a degree it's not giving me a raise. If you're working for someone else, USUALLY this will help you get more money etc - but it depends on the company.

For us, if you can prove you can do it, that's better than a piece of paper any day. I personally don't care if someone spent 3 years learning how to program, what matters to me is the finished product. In that regard, I don't find school to be all that useful (to me).

We do have two of our employees going to school currently though, and I've worked with them around their school schedule. I do appreciate an education, it just wasn't the path for me.

I'm with you on that, I had a very similar situation. IMO you can never go wrong with certifications though. I do a lot of consulting work and certifications help getting contracts.

The bit about being required to do basic computer classes(things I knew 18 years ago) was the worse, but the good news is that you can actually test out of classes in most cases :)
 
Yeah, they wouldn't let me test out :( So I pulled back my money, invested in myself and here I am :) Heck, I've been to a number of schools and career days at highschools to talk about the web hosting field and my experiences. It was fun to go back to my old highschool where some of my counselers had pretty much given up on me, and yet here I was being invited (by them) to come and talk to their kids about how you can go from having D's and C's in school to running a company and being successful at it :)

That said - running a business is hard work, and not everyone can do it. The majority of people need structure in their life and need to be told what to do and how to do it. This is what separates US from THEM. No side is better, it's just a different way of doing things.
 
I think that having a degree is of help even if you don't use it. A lot of employers look for that level of education, knowing that you are capable of training at a high level.

That said, for anything involving sales there really isn't a good way of being educated-you have to have the skill really.
 
Everyone has sales skills. We all started our careers in sales when we were little kids, trying to convince our parents to buy us certain toys or let us stay up late. :) Refining those skills via professional courses or internships has produced plenty of sales champions. I'd have to say that complacency is a huge enemy of sales - techniques have to be constantly refined. The same approach doesn't work for everyone, and can only be repeated for awhile before the market and attitudes change - forcing you to change your approach.
 
I'm a fresh graduate right now. However I'm still studying something that interests me while going for a job hunt.
 
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