I still see many hosts don't use CloudLinux, Why is that?

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We've used CloudLinux since 2010, and find that it saves 100s of man hours investigating issues, and prevents many issues that used to occur in the past from being an issue nowadays.

Are there any hosts who believe they are better off without CloudLinux.

If so I would like to hear why.

Again if you are a customer, do you look for hosts with CloudLinux or specifically for hosts who don't use CloudLinux. What are your reasons?
 
easyhostmedia said:
I think the main issue was that until a few years back CloudLinux would not be compatible with Open VZ and even now

CloudLinux provides limited support for OpenVZ and Virtuozzo. At this stage only the following functionality works:

CageFS
PHP Selector
max entry processes

https://docs.cloudlinux.com/index.html?virtuozzo_and_openvz.html

which does not warrant paying for it with limited use to hosts that use OpenVZ and Virtuozzo
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That is the leading "deal breaker" for me because frankly I am not going to pay the "full price" for about "half of the license's ability". Now that I said that why don't they offer a OpenVZ/Virtuozzo "license" that only works on these platforms and at a much reduced cost?

The other subjective reasoning I can see that WHM gauges how much a user uses per 24 hours period as averages, while CloudLinux will "hard limit" the user to whatever amount you set.
 
Harv45 said:
That is the leading "deal breaker" for me because frankly I am not going to pay the "full price" for about "half of the license's ability". Now that I said that why don't they offer a OpenVZ/Virtuozzo "license" that only works on these platforms and at a much reduced cost?

The other subjective reasoning I can see that WHM gauges how much a user uses per 24 hours period as averages, while CloudLinux will "hard limit" the user to whatever amount you set.
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Originally they would not even support OpenVZ/Virtuozzo even though it is the most commonly used platform
 
easyhostmedia said:
Originally they would not even support OpenVZ/Virtuozzo even though it is the most commonly used platform
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Interesting, well if they don't step up their game to do so I am sure someone else will gladly do so. But until something compelling is offered or a majorly reduced CloudLinux license is offered for such I am sticking with WHM and 3rd party monitoring.
 
Harv45 said:
Interesting, well if they don't step up their game to do so I am sure someone else will gladly do so. But until something compelling is offered or a majorly reduced CloudLinux license is offered for such I am sticking with WHM and 3rd party monitoring.
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Same here. I even stopped my litespeed licence as when you increase ram on your server you have to purchase a dearer licence and you get no more for the money
 
easyhostmedia said:
Same here. I even stopped my litespeed licence as when you increase ram on your server you have to purchase a dearer licence and you get no more for the money
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They even says that unless you have enough HTTP requests there isn't a significant "benefit" for LiteSpeed anyways.

But in my opinion (and what I read to form such) and why I merely quoted that was it more on how the server is tuned than what web server you used. I even heard that Apache works just fine if it well tuned even under higher traffic demands.
 
CloudLinux mainly focuses on the providing the best user interface and provide the smooth access for the managing the server resources, inodes. It has the LVE manager that is LightWeight Virtual Environment.

In CloudLinux hosting, the web hosting account which is consuming the more resources and causing the server to run slower will be automatically stop working without affecting the other sites on the server. This was not previously possible in the traditional hosting server.

You can assign the particular set of resources for the individual account on the cloud linux. You will have multiple versions of PHP which you can change just by one click.
 
webconfigure said:
CloudLinux mainly focuses on the providing the best user interface and provide the smooth access for the managing the server resources, inodes. It has the LVE manager that is LightWeight Virtual Environment.

In CloudLinux hosting, the web hosting account which is consuming the more resources and causing the server to run slower will be automatically stop working without affecting the other sites on the server. This was not previously possible in the traditional hosting server.

You can assign the particular set of resources for the individual account on the cloud linux. You will have multiple versions of PHP which you can change just by one click.
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but you cant on an OpenVZ/Virtuozzo server, so why should someone with an OpenVZ/Virtuozzo server pay full price for very limited features
 
easyhostmedia said:
but you cant on an OpenVZ/Virtuozzo server, so why should someone with an OpenVZ/Virtuozzo server pay full price for very limited features
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Exactly it's like having to pay full price for kids at an amusement park even if they cannot enjoy half of the rides there. No reputable amusement parks that limited would charge kids' admissions as such if that was the case.
 
Strange that we are talking about VPSs when our CloudLinux is more for carving up large boxes.

Our standard box is a 128GB RAM Node with 32 CPUs and lots of disks in RAID 10.

I also have CloudLinux on some KVM VPSs for Resellers accounts, so they can answer tickets should their reseller server ever go down. (Or more likely undergoing maintenance that the customer or the customers' customer forgot)
In this instance, we are mainly after CageFS to stop the different resellers from seeing each other's accounts.

When we place customers on VPSs, we don't tend to give them CloudLinux, as they are OpenVZ VPS isolated from each other, however, larger customers to whom we provide KVM VPSs using our OpenStack Cloud, then they are more likely to have CloudLinux installed than not.
 
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ughosting said:
Strange that we are talking about VPSs when our CloudLinux is more for carving up large boxes.

Our standard box is a 128GB RAM Node with 32 CPUs and lots of disks in RAID 10.
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I am sorry to disappoint you but some of us invest in cost effective solutions that handle the given loads and such right now. Then some for any small growths that likely to occurs.

But to make up the lack of huge resources we often are able to expand with a push of a button (or at least a ticket away) to re scale to the size of small/medium boxes when such needs come around.

At the end of the day Cloudlinux licensing should understand and implement something for such.
 
CloudLinux provides limited support for OpenVZ and Virtuozzo so some host doesn't use it. However, most of the big hosting companies have already shifted their servers to CloudLinux to improve the server stability and enhance server security.
 
I can see Harv's point.

We have a lot of Resellers using Cloud VPS, where we can expand the size pretty quickly without downtime, even though they are KVM (disk space wise), a reboot to change the actual tin driving the OpenStack machine.

I suppose our standard unit got so big, due to the Elastic-Sites hosting we do. Where you can have VPS style performance, using CL for isolation. This way you get the performance you need, but we still manage everything for you and you get all the goodies thrown in that shared hosting gets like R1Soft hourly backups restore by plugin etc.

You are right though, once moved away from the monster servers, a "just right" fit is better, otherwise the customer end up paying too much.

Overprovisioning does cost.

From what I've heard here today, looks like CL needs to make good it's promise to etablish limits on OpenVZ, but due to kernel limitations this will have to be OpenVZ7
 
ughosting said:
We've used CloudLinux since 2010, and find that it saves 100s of man hours investigating issues, and prevents many issues that used to occur in the past from being an issue nowadays.

Are there any hosts who believe they are better off without CloudLinux.

If so I would like to hear why.

Again if you are a customer, do you look for hosts with CloudLinux or specifically for hosts who don't use CloudLinux. What are your reasons?
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CentOS 7 has never let me down, very stable, very secure. I haven't tried CloudLinux but believe that it is best for managing crowded cPanel servers to restrict resource usage and prevent an individual user from using to much resources affecting the other clients.
 
I'm using Cloudlinux since 2015. No problem i experienced so far. there support also good and Cloudlinux helped me lot to manage my server resources
 
Another factor for why some hosts don’t use it, particularly startups, is the price, as it’s a somewhat high monthly Addon, compared to script installers and site builders. Also, some startups use a resller, which for whatever reason, don’t have CloudLinux, and there’s little that can be done about.

Some do use Litespeed instead, but majority use either CloudLinux or standard Apache.
 
Kieran said:
Another factor for why some hosts don’t use it, particularly startups, is the price, as it’s a somewhat high monthly Addon, compared to script installers and site builders. Also, some startups use a resller, which for whatever reason, don’t have CloudLinux, and there’s little that can be done about.

Some do use Litespeed instead, but majority use either CloudLinux or standard Apache.
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What?... As far I am aware it not remotely the same...
 
Harv45 said:
What?... As far I am aware it not remotely the same...
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That’s in reference to speed, not just resource usage. As in some don’t monitor or restore it resource usage as heavily, so just get Litespeed instead to speed up pages, as they don’t need / want CloudLiinux.
 
Kieran said:
That’s in reference to speed, not just resource usage. As in some don’t monitor or restore it resource usage as heavily, so just get Litespeed instead to speed up pages, as they don’t need / want CloudLiinux.
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That is interesting indeed, thanks for clearing up my confusion. :)
 
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