Does whois data will work for marekting

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Hello HD,

i am just curious to know does domain whois data will work for hosting marketing through emails and phone calling the?
as some websites are selling data for just 6$/per month whole database of all countries daily, any suggestions on this?

Thanks
 
Not really sure how ethical it is, and I am sure some people won't appreciate being cold-called. It's not something we'd do but I imagine that it would give results.
 
hostinap said:
Hello HD,

i am just curious to know does domain whois data will work for hosting marketing through emails and phone calling the?
as some websites are selling data for just 6$/per month whole database of all countries daily, any suggestions on this?

Thanks
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This is highly unethical and although it will produce limited results, I liken it to spam.
 
hostinap said:
Hello HD,

i am just curious to know does domain whois data will work for hosting marketing through emails and phone calling the?
as some websites are selling data for just 6$/per month whole database of all countries daily, any suggestions on this?

Thanks
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In the UK and the EU this would breach the General Data Protection Regulation (EU GDPR) any such emails would be reported as spam , so you would risk being suspended or terminated by your web host for breaching their no spam policies.
 
If you send the person an email using a mailer software it would be considered UCE (Unsolicited Commercial Email) and would be subject to state and federal laws within the US (depending on the state, you could potentially receive a bill for every email you send - see California for example).

That said, we used to get dozens of phone calls each week from places that see we registered a new domain and they'd offer to build websites etc. Every one of them I would personally classify as a spammer.

Does spam work? Yes - do enough of it and it will produce results. Is it worth the effort? Only if it's fully automated. Would I recommend it? No. Time is better spent chasing REAL leads.

I liken it to the Ambulance Chasers (a certain breed of lawyers). Some legal filings are public information such as the creation of an LLC, request to sell alcohol on-premises, bankruptcy, divorce & marriage. Some require filing at the courthouse, some require printing a newspaper. As a result, that public information gets dumped onto a mail list and then you get blasted with it.
 
bigredseo said:
If you send the person an email using a mailer software it would be considered UCE (Unsolicited Commercial Email) and would be subject to state and federal laws within the US (depending on the state, you could potentially receive a bill for every email you send - see California for example).

That said, we used to get dozens of phone calls each week from places that see we registered a new domain and they'd offer to build websites etc. Every one of them I would personally classify as a spammer.

Does spam work? Yes - do enough of it and it will produce results. Is it worth the effort? Only if it's fully automated. Would I recommend it? No. Time is better spent chasing REAL leads.

I liken it to the Ambulance Chasers (a certain breed of lawyers). Some legal filings are public information such as the creation of an LLC, request to sell alcohol on-premises, bankruptcy, divorce & marriage. Some require filing at the courthouse, some require printing a newspaper. As a result, that public information gets dumped onto a mail list and then you get blasted with it.
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still get them now (mostly from india) on the lines. 'I see you have a poor website, we are the bees knees in web design can we design your new website'

Why would i give work to a spammer with bad english from India. If i wanted a website designed i would look myself for a local designer and then cheak out his work etc.
 
I agree that these calling and mails comes under spam, just thought to have some info, but i got the same output as mine, we get like 20+ emails form these mails with worst content and worsplans, or even copied affiliates likes to get purchased.

We will stop considering this, as one of our employee suggested this for email marketing of our offers, yes that definitely end in spam, spoiling our mailing system either.

Thanks for your info.
 
SPAM at scale will of course have some results, but it would be better doing targeted marketing for higher quality leads. You also have to factor in how stale any databases at that price point would be.

I mean the general impression of the brand/company will likely be influenced negatively from SPAM methods of marketing, which could be more damaging overall than the resulting sales/leads generated from it.
 
clouvider said:
SPAM at scale will of course have some results, but it would be better doing targeted marketing for higher quality leads. You also have to factor in how stale any databases at that price point would be.

I mean the general impression of the brand/company will likely be influenced negatively from SPAM methods of marketing, which could be more damaging overall than the resulting sales/leads generated from it.
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Results at what cost. Take this scenario

You contact 100 people using whois information, you get 20 positive results, so sign up these 20 people, but 50 of the 100 you contacted report you as a spammer, so your server provider terminates your server, so now these 20 new signups have no website now along with your established 300 clients you already had on the server.
So now you have 320 angry clients who have all took to social media and hosting forums calling you every name under the sun.
Not good for your reputation
 
Artashes said:
That is a very brave estimate.

I'd say almost no one reports spammers nowadays. A vast majority has accepted it as part of life and won't spend any more seconds than they have to to stop something they know can't be stopped. Which is why they won't bother.
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It is only a scenario that could happen, especially being bad mouthed on social media. i always report spammers and have seen these people stopped. You will find a lot of spammers will send spam throgh a websites own feedback forms etc. so they dont leave email headers. Spamcop alwys pass on the reports, but they never pass on any reports coming from Chinanet as they get ignored.
 
I'm a HUGE advocate for gMail for personal and business (Google Workspace). Their spam filtering has rarely let me down. The report spam is also just a click of a button, and they do the rest, so I use that regularly. I believe Office365 has something similar and again, decent filtering on a network level. If enough people report something as spam, then they automatically filter it for ALL users. Unlike other mail systems that the filtering only affects your direct inbox, these filtering system affect either companywide or network wide (everyone who has a gmail account). And that's where the power really comes in.

But I digress..... the percentage of people reporting is probably still fairly low.
 
bigredseo said:
But I digress..... the percentage of people reporting is probably still fairly low.
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i agree, but unless people report spam it will not stop. you do get some spammers hide behind Cloudflare and amazons AWS, but both these are great at blocking such users once reported.

I find then Global Email Filters feature in cPanel a great tool to block the IPs used by spammers, just add then start of the IP range and it blocked the whole CIDR
 
As i said already my marketing person tried with new domain for 3 to 4 days days, in a week the domain got listed as spam though gmail, as per analytics, we got 4 clicks for 11K change email id's and zero sale.

so whois data won't work for marketing hosting.

Thanks
 
hostinap said:
As i said already my marketing person tried with new domain for 3 to 4 days days, in a week the domain got listed as spam though gmail, as per analytics, we got 4 clicks for 11K change email id's and zero sale.

so whois data won't work for marketing hosting.

Thanks
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Actually, It works. I have worked with a web hosting company few years back, and their regular task was to send emails or call those who recently purchased domains.
The company was able to get a pretty amount of clients by doing this. The conversation rate is low but still works.
 
natan said:
Actually, It works. I have worked with a web hosting company few years back, and their regular task was to send emails or call those who recently purchased domains.
The company was able to get a pretty amount of clients by doing this. The conversation rate is low but still works.
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but under the GDPR in the EU and the UK it is illegal to carry out this type of marketing as you dont have consent from the domain owner to send marketing material to them.
 
easyhostmedia said:
Results at what cost. Take this scenario

You contact 100 people using whois information, you get 20 positive results, so sign up these 20 people, but 50 of the 100 you contacted report you as a spammer, so your server provider terminates your server, so now these 20 new signups have no website now along with your established 300 clients you already had on the server.
So now you have 320 angry clients who have all took to social media and hosting forums calling you every name under the sun.
Not good for your reputation
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A very nice calculation, I totally agree with you
As per my experience its complete waste of time, I read all the comments here, and According to GDPR rules its an illegal process to use data for business
 
etechsupport said:
According to GDPR rules its an illegal process to use data for business
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Unless you have permission to use such data, this is what now under GDPR any UK or EU company must have in place an option for users to opt into newsletters and have their info removed from your system if they leave.
In my new hosting business i have my system set so if anyone leaves then Under my GDPR policy all their data (websites etc.) are removed from server
 
natan said:
Actually, It works. I have worked with a web hosting company few years back, and their regular task was to send emails or call those who recently purchased domains.
The company was able to get a pretty amount of clients by doing this. The conversation rate is low but still works.
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That is great, but on our side it didn't work tough we ran this not more than a week, we got 0 leads despite follow-ups.
 
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